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I thought Telegram was sending messages encrypted (though not E2E) per default?
It isn't by default. You have to enable it yourself.
This is wrong. All communication is encrypted in transit, even for non-secret chats.
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Telegram is still a step up from what most people use (Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp). And if you really want a chat to be secure it's easy to set one up. I find it to be a perfect blend of security and usability. Saying it's only good for stickers is pretty disingenuous
Seeing that WhatsApp is using the signal protocol and encrypts all communications by default, I contest the notion that Telegram with its home-grown protocol and clear text by default is a step up.
Seeing that WhatsApp is not prohibited in Russia is a big concern of itself. This country has a law that requires you to pass ‘master key’ (or a backdoor, if you read between the lines) to special agency, or be banned by all ISPs. When my friend researched the topic, some interesting guys told him few years ago that whatsapp is a no-brainer for them to read, but tg+secret is opaque. Subsequent events shown that it was probably true.
All this is full of false negatives and positives, but concerns too much to ignore, if you’re after secrecy that puts your welfare at stake. If you just hide your pics from a corporate big brother, I admit that whatsapp and regular tg chats may have different weights on scales.
Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought Telegram was sending messages encrypted (though not E2E) per default?
It isn't by default. You have to enable it yourself.
You're talking about "secret chats", the Telegram way of doing E2E, but it doesn't mean that all other communications are sent or stored plain text. And there is no setting in the app to enable encryption (I just checked), because there is no way to disable it. "Not E2E" != "not encrypted"
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How can finance firms use telegram? aren't there strict compliance laws which require logging of messages - e.g. why Bloomberg chat is popular? Or maybe that's the point... but seems short sighted
Couldn't a bot do logging?
Sure but then what's the point of the extra encryption hassle
Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group
#185A growing number of people and organizations are starting to choose Telegram over Slack. This became prevalent in the blockchain space where pretty much everyone prefers Telegram to other messaging apps. OTC brokers, quant funds, and the largest exchanges use Telegram in some capacity, some almost exclusively. Since the official Telegram clients are open source and the org encourages open competition between third pa…
This is very interesting! I'd be happy to try.
My main pain points with Telegram are:
- No way to structure a group into sub-groups
- No way to comment on a specific post without polluting the whole timeline (the new DiscussionBot is the beginning of a solution to this problem)
- No way to "like" a specific comment without adding another message to the group (some discussions are mostly a stream of yes and +1)
- No way to bookmark/star messages and easily find them later (apart the save mechanism which is a bit different)
It looks like Telefuel aims to solve them?
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> All clients are fully open source They’re literally not. The distributed apps update every couple of weeks or even more often while the source they push lags months behind, if it’s even what’s being used to build those binaries.
This package [1] on f-droid is built directly of the source on github [2]. Even if the source is old so is the package. F-droid compiles this package not telegram. I wrote the peertube client Throium which is also available on f-droid [3]. When I Tag a new release on github, f-droid will build the package automatically and publish it the next day. I do not build the packages for f-droid. [1] https://f-droid.org/en/pa…
I’m mostly referring to the macOS and iOS clients, since I’m not really familiar with the Android version.
Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group
#187A growing number of people and organizations are starting to choose Telegram over Slack. This became prevalent in the blockchain space where pretty much everyone prefers Telegram to other messaging apps. OTC brokers, quant funds, and the largest exchanges use Telegram in some capacity, some almost exclusively. Since the official Telegram clients are open source and the org encourages open competition between third pa…
This is very interesting! I'd be happy to try. My main pain points with Telegram are: - No way to structure a group into sub-groups - No way to comment on a specific post without polluting the whole timeline (the new DiscussionBot is the beginning of a solution to this problem) - No way to "like" a specific comment without adding another message to the group (some discussions are mostly a stream of yes and +1) - No w…
Hi Nick! Received your invite request! Looking forward to speaking with you this week :)
- Yes, we're bringing workspaces & chat folders to Telegram (https://cl.ly/9d0ac52b55cf) - Not something we're addressing yet - Not something we're addressing yet - Something we can address :)
Will talk more next week!
Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group
#188WhatsApp vs Telegram E2E encryption seems to be a hot topic here, so I’m not sure in which subthread to ask. The question is how WhatsApp is E2E by default, if I can open a browser, read the QR-code and see all my E2E chats in there instantly? WA either has them unencrypted or can see my phone’s secret key in transit. Isn’t the whole point of END to END messaging being undecipherable on devices other than these two?…
WhatsApp desktop proxies through your phone over HTTPS. The Desktop to phone session is TLS,
but not E2E.
Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
It isn't by default. You have to enable it yourself.
This is wrong. All communication is encrypted in transit, even for non-secret chats.
Is it also E2E encrypted though? If not, wouldn't that mean that Telegram servers could snoop in on the non-E2E conversations?
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>Signal will also lose all your messaging history and kick you out of all your group conversations if your phone breaks or you lose it. It also has no usable automated backup solution or sync. Depending on one's threat model, this could be considered a feature.
If your point is that only people with a Mossad threat model should use Signal, I wholeheartedly agree.
Oh, please. If Mossad really wants my messages, they're not going to give up at the "Oh no, he uses Signal!" step. They're going to go full knee-wrench if they have to. And considering they have a habit of forging my country's passports, don't pretend that me living in another country is a barrier to that. The same goes for my country's government. Our laws are chock-full of "throw him in jail until he gives up the password" allowances to law enforcement. And that's not even getting into the fact that Signal's owners, OWS, are located within the jurisdiction of the "we'll star-chamber NSL you on a moment's notice" US government.
But Signal is perfect to stay private against non-nation-state actors. If I want to make sure that my ISP, mobile carrier, etc. can't snoop on my messages, Signal is my phone messenger of choice. Until and unless Facebook is demonstrated to not be on the level regarding Whatsapp's implementation of the Signal protocol, then I'll keep Whatsapp on the list as well.
Telegram is not on that list. If my threat model consisted solely of "that guy with the manbun and macbook working on his novel in the coffeeshop", then maybe Telegram would be acceptable. Let me know when Telegram has default and mandatory end-to-end encryption, using a properly-implemented and proven-secure protocol like Signal's, on all clients both mobile and desktop. Until then I'll consider it to be about as secure as SMS - "hilariously not".