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Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Post by ganzuul »

asciimo wrote: post #151
ganzuul wrote: post #109

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There will still exist a fascinating dichotomy, up until we can predict result without either simulation or animal models. An ideal engineered organism would be a delightfully weird homunculus, and a sufficiently advanced simulation could be deemed to be a living creature too. Perhaps it is best to make sure that lab technicians feel a great deal of empathy for the animals they work with.

Have to be careful, though. Too much empathy and you'll quit your job.

I would hope instead that they refuse to do certain procedures. Then if someone else gets asked to do the same procedure in hope of less empathy there should be alarms going off.

The lab technicians will after all be the experts on the subject; not academics on an ethics board.

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Post by nojap »

vorpalhex wrote: post #169
nojap wrote: post #142

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> Japan has no sanctions against Samsung directly, they are upset that materials they export to South Korea keep showing up in North Korea, while SK denies being the cause. This is flat out bullshit. Photoregist, hydrogen fluoride, fluorine polyimide are all together mainly used for photolithography/OLED. It is not a coincidence. It is very obvious that Japan targeted Samsung and their primary goal is to ruin the Sam…

Repeating your point above word for word before you switched accounts doesn't make your argument any stronger. Hydrogen flouride is used directly in weapons manufacturing.

> Repeating your point above word for word before you switched accounts doesn't make your argument any stronger.

I don't understand. Are you making a (false) allegation that I'm the user ETHisso2017? How is it relevant here? I don't often comment, but I created an account solely to reply your comment because the level of (un)ethical implication of your comments is intolerable to me.

> Hydrogen flouride is used directly in weapons manufacturing.

Japan's trade sanctions include photoregist, hydrogen fluoride, fluorine polyimide, all critical to photolithography, not just hydrogen flouride. It never is a coincidence. You can't take the only one that's easy to criticize and pretend as if it is all of the points. It is misleading by omission at best.

The purpose of the sanction is to spoil the SK semiconductor industry in response to the WW2 sexual slavery verdict. Anyone who have looked into SK-JP news or with basic knowledge in semiconductor industry would know it. It's as simple as that.

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Post by nojap »

checktheorder wrote: post #146
danbolt wrote: post #139

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I'd imagine Japan's attitudes have changed the same, as well.

I'd be interested in knowing if that's true, and if so, to what extent. My knowledge of Japanese culture - especially modern prevailing attitudes towards the Japanese government's actions in the second world war - is very limited. I'm not qualified to speak to that.

Historical revisionism is alarmingly prevailing in Japan, and I see Japan is slowly turning into nationalism and militarism.

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Post by Lord_Baltimore »

firethief wrote: post #161
Lord_Baltimore wrote: post #113

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Killing the opposing party through abortion would be a negative effect.

"Negative" here sounds like it should mean something objective, but that can't be the case because curbing population growth makes the world better for everyone in it.

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Post by Lord_Baltimore »

bluecalm wrote: post #174
Lord_Baltimore wrote: post #113

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Killing the opposing party through abortion would be a negative effect.

You're assuming it's like killing. By that you're making a moral judgement. Significant part of the population disagrees with you. That means your judgement is not universal and shouldn't be forced on others. There are moral principles vast majority of the population agrees with but abortion=killing is not one of them. Don't force others to live according to your religion or moral conviction.

You are also making a judgment that is not universal and shouldn't be forced on others (unborn children). There are moral principles the vast majority of the population agrees with but abortionkilling is not one of them. Don't force others (unborn children) to die according to your religion or moral conviction.
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