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Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by bluejekyll »

noxToken wrote: post #174
terryf wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the reasons I don't stay in airbnbs - the system breaks the social contract. The reason hotels are more expensive is because they have to follow a bunch of rules that makes everyone's life a bit better by having insurance for risks and zoning and so on. However you have to pay a bit more. So, if you ever find yourself complaining "I wish people did something in a not the absolute cheapest and effortles…

>This is one of the reasons I don't stay in airbnbs - the system breaks the social contract. But it doesn't. People are breaking the social contract by not respecting the area. If I invite friends from out of town over for the weekend, is that breaking the social contract? If I'm going away for 2 weeks, and I have friends house sit for the duration, is that breaking the social contract? Tourists and visitors existing…

> It would have been a better use of everyone's time to knock and let us know.

Sadly, too many people now are afraid of conflict, even small conflict, they prefer to call the police rather than deal with others directly. They don’t want to deal with it themselves.

That anxiety I’m sure goes up with unknown Airbnbers, and so raises the likely good that people will probably call the police instead.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by buboard »

JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #6

Or just go to a hotel! I have a condo in a building where most of the units are listed on Airbnb or Booking.com, quality of life for residents like me has been drastically reduced by noisy tourists that come for a weekend trip and have no regard for keeping it quiet or keeping the shared spaces clean. I hope more cities begin to ban Airbnb. Tourists belong in hotels not in buildings where families try to live their d…

> Or just go to a hotel!

yeah Let them eat cake

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by pgeorgi »

noxToken wrote: post #174
terryf wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the reasons I don't stay in airbnbs - the system breaks the social contract. The reason hotels are more expensive is because they have to follow a bunch of rules that makes everyone's life a bit better by having insurance for risks and zoning and so on. However you have to pay a bit more. So, if you ever find yourself complaining "I wish people did something in a not the absolute cheapest and effortles…

>This is one of the reasons I don't stay in airbnbs - the system breaks the social contract. But it doesn't. People are breaking the social contract by not respecting the area. If I invite friends from out of town over for the weekend, is that breaking the social contract? If I'm going away for 2 weeks, and I have friends house sit for the duration, is that breaking the social contract? Tourists and visitors existing…

> If you have an issue with visitors, talk to them.

This is externalizing a social cost: Normally your neighbor (that you know personally, ideally, so you can discuss any matters with somebody you know) will take care of their visitors' conduct.

When we're away, we sometimes have friends over to house-sit, but we know them, we know their conduct, they know us, and they're not interested in giving us a bad reputation in the neighborhood.

With airbnb, the owner of the apartment likely doesn't know their "visitor" (otherwise, why pay a commission to airbnb?) and often they're not around to enforce standards. It's a huge diffusion of responsibility.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by JackFr »

noxToken wrote: post #174
terryf wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the reasons I don't stay in airbnbs - the system breaks the social contract. The reason hotels are more expensive is because they have to follow a bunch of rules that makes everyone's life a bit better by having insurance for risks and zoning and so on. However you have to pay a bit more. So, if you ever find yourself complaining "I wish people did something in a not the absolute cheapest and effortles…

>This is one of the reasons I don't stay in airbnbs - the system breaks the social contract. But it doesn't. People are breaking the social contract by not respecting the area. If I invite friends from out of town over for the weekend, is that breaking the social contract? If I'm going away for 2 weeks, and I have friends house sit for the duration, is that breaking the social contract? Tourists and visitors existing…

> friends house sit

and

> Tourists and visitors existing in a space

are very different things.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by JackFr »

pintxo wrote: post #122
ubermonkey wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A very reasonable point; however, AirBnB & its ilk end up being the only viable option in some cases. There's a huge bicycling event in Texas every spring, and it overnights in a town that is, most of the time, very very quiet. The meager hotel inventory is sufficient 364 days of the year, but absurdly low for the weekend of the MS150. & so, homeshare sites make a killing that weekend.

Also for an one-off event, one could organize private rooms via the event organizer. No AirBnB needed.

E.g. for Hall of Fame weekend in Cooperstown (a fairly tiny town), the Baseball Hall of Fame sets up house shares with residents for MLB personnel.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by mysterydip »

ubermonkey wrote: post #87
terryf wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the reasons I don't stay in airbnbs - the system breaks the social contract. The reason hotels are more expensive is because they have to follow a bunch of rules that makes everyone's life a bit better by having insurance for risks and zoning and so on. However you have to pay a bit more. So, if you ever find yourself complaining "I wish people did something in a not the absolute cheapest and effortles…

A very reasonable point; however, AirBnB & its ilk end up being the only viable option in some cases. There's a huge bicycling event in Texas every spring, and it overnights in a town that is, most of the time, very very quiet. The meager hotel inventory is sufficient 364 days of the year, but absurdly low for the weekend of the MS150. & so, homeshare sites make a killing that weekend.

Seems to me that this is a logistical issue the event planners should fix. Are there any other towns nearby that would make a better overnight spot now that the event has grown larger?

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #6

Or just go to a hotel! I have a condo in a building where most of the units are listed on Airbnb or Booking.com, quality of life for residents like me has been drastically reduced by noisy tourists that come for a weekend trip and have no regard for keeping it quiet or keeping the shared spaces clean. I hope more cities begin to ban Airbnb. Tourists belong in hotels not in buildings where families try to live their d…

Same here in Berlin, although it's mostly illegal there are many AirBnB flats because there are no controls. Having drunken students making party all the time isn't very fun.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by nsajko »

danesparza wrote: post #167

Just to be clear, AirBnB has rules about cameras: https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/887/what-are-airbnbs-rul... Note that you can get a full refund if the host breaks these rules.

> we require hosts to disclose all security cameras and other recording devices in their listings, and we prohibit any security cameras and other recording devices that are in or that observe the interior of certain private spaces (such as bedrooms and bathrooms), regardless of whether they’ve been disclosed.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by alistairSH »

JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #6

Or just go to a hotel! I have a condo in a building where most of the units are listed on Airbnb or Booking.com, quality of life for residents like me has been drastically reduced by noisy tourists that come for a weekend trip and have no regard for keeping it quiet or keeping the shared spaces clean. I hope more cities begin to ban Airbnb. Tourists belong in hotels not in buildings where families try to live their d…

Why is your HOA/condo board allowing this? That should be spelled out in the terms of your ownership agreements. Most should disallow short-term rentals.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by draw_down »

buboard wrote: post #182
JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #6

Or just go to a hotel! I have a condo in a building where most of the units are listed on Airbnb or Booking.com, quality of life for residents like me has been drastically reduced by noisy tourists that come for a weekend trip and have no regard for keeping it quiet or keeping the shared spaces clean. I hope more cities begin to ban Airbnb. Tourists belong in hotels not in buildings where families try to live their d…

> Or just go to a hotel! yeah Let them eat cake

Come on.
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