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Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by dorfsmay » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 2:28 PM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #136

lone_haxx0r wrote: post #125

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Those two are not mutually exclusive, unless you buy the premise that thinner = better (I don't). A thick laptop with many ports can look just as good as a thin one.

> Those two are not mutually exclusive, unless you buy the premise that thinner = better (I don't). Even if you do, they're still not necessarily exclusive: ifixit tore down a bunch of HP devices, and even the "Elite X2 G4" two-in-one — not exactly a beastly looking device https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Elite-x2-G4-detachable-will... — got 9/10 on repairability: https://www.ifixit.com/News/hp-makes-the-modern-repai…

I have been fairly impressed by Del hardware. Unfortunately, you can no longer get a tracking on their 13 inches (and they never had 3 button).

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by commandersaki » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 3:42 PM UTC

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #131

For years I lived in FreeBSD world - servers and laptops. I was fighting the good fight and rationalised that having to only remember one location for network services was a win. Then I took a second look. I realised that I was spending waaayy too much time getting the laptop usable (usually wifi) and not going enough using it I bailed for ubuntu and I cannot remember where the network confit is and hate the GUI but…

You know what shits me? Restarting networking remotely and realising you also need to restart the routing to install your routes. Whoops, many many many times over.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by Hydraulix989 » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 5:13 PM UTC

quickthrower2 wrote: post #116

NortySpock wrote: post #42

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Ugly like a Thinkpad is normally, or ugly even for a Thinkpad? Because I would normally put the Thinkpad in a "a design only an engineer could love" category.

I love it (OK I am an `"engineer"' aka slinger of JS). The keyboard of the X230 and form factor was damn good. I loved using it until I stupidly cracked the screen.

It's very easy to replace the screen unlike Apple.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by vasili111 » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 5:36 PM UTC

I wish BSD systems had better support for hardware.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by dang » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:34 PM UTC

bitwize wrote: post #124

dang wrote: post #92

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Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. Name-calling ("immature...reactionaries") is against the site guidelines in its own right, and certainly counts as flamebait here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I meant "immature" as in the project hasn't become big or popular enough to have to deal with large-scale trolling, hate, or right-wing brigading -- not a statement about the emotional maturity of its participants.

Fair enough, but when another user drops a pointer to a classic flamewar topic, please don't follow that pointer. This is in the guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by peter_d_sherman » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 7:49 PM UTC

Excerpt:

"Speed is Stellar

The speed of the system is stellar. I feel like it is faster than the Linux and FreeBSD installations, but I don’t have proof of it. I suspect there is less bloat to weight things down and the hardware support for Thinkpads is super in OpenBSD."

One of the hallmarks of a good Operating System...

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by dijit » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 8:59 PM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #38

orbifold wrote: post #30

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Regarding commenting on other people’s appearance: this is something I find personally super tedious. When I am at work I really don’t want people to start commenting on my appearance, both negatively or positively.

Yeah; without commenting on any specific CoC, I'm broadly quite in favor of officially discouraging using official project channels to discuss or say anything that's not explicitly about the project. It's not just a question of making people uncomfortable, it's just... irrelevant. You think there's an issue with a proposed refactoring? Great, let's hear it. You like someone else's new haircut? That's nice, but it is…

CoC's apply to Conferences and out of band discussions in off-topic channels and PM's.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by CTOSian » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 9:19 PM UTC

sogubsys wrote: post #73

cubano wrote: post #28

So, you are giving up what seems like your 2 most important apps (Evernote and VMs) just so you can run X operating system on a laptop? Excuse me, but this just doesn't make any sense. Applications are the reason we use computers, not OSs, and to have to make such sacrifices is IMHO just silly. The whole OS holy-war thing seems so played out to me...its 2019 just use whatever works..no one care really. Add to that th…

I understand what you're saying but I fear you may be misunderstanding my intentions and opinions. I feel you may be injecting your own issues with things into my blog post. Please allow me explain. The importance of having a secure and correct OS is most important to me (I feel OpenBSD is most appropriate and interesting here). I feel the value of OpenBSD outweighs the lose of two applications. I'm not part of an OS…

screw the evernote, use org-mode

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by ElFitz » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 9:39 AM UTC

dorfsmay wrote: post #180

lone_haxx0r wrote: post #125

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Those two are not mutually exclusive, unless you buy the premise that thinner = better (I don't). A thick laptop with many ports can look just as good as a thin one.

I agree with thinner ≠ better. So where is the thinner obsession coming from? Why are they removing all the ports? Isn't it because of fashion? Functionality and esthetics do not have to be mutually exclusive, but the people designing laptops don't seem to be aware of that.

It could be because they are gutless unimaginative trend-following sheeps.

It could also be because they just try to sell whatever it is they think most of their customers believe they want / need (wether or not said customers are right is a whole other matter)

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by munmaek » Fri, Jul 05, 2019, 1:42 PM UTC

z3phyr wrote: post #153

h1d wrote: post #142

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What's so dirty bypassing that isn't productive for you?

What does productive mean? The thing that get you satisfaction or money?

Being able to Just Do Things without mucking around in config files, building a, b, c things from source and dealing with random missing dependencies d, e, f. Then having to search online to fix Random Obscure Errors g, h i, etc, and so on. Or in the case of bsd-likes, maybe needing to write ports and adapt makefiles, etc.

I've gone Arch -> FreeBSD -> OpenBSD -> Debian for my main pc, and osx for my laptop. I used to like manually tweaking and configuring everything but these days I just want to turn on the computer and get into a workflow with as few headaches as possible.