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Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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You see the same thing in Yellowstone--inattentive Instagrammers with selfie sticks hoping to snap the perfect pic next to the wildlife and scenery. Nothing quite as real as being scalded by a hot spring when you're used to viewing the world through a screen.

Mass tourism has ruined travel for me.

Why? There are millions of places to visit, the vast majority of which are nearly empty. You don't have to go to the big name locations, there are plenty of others that aren't crowded.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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It's not just Iceland. My wife and I typically travel for the outdoors and we are extremely impact conscious. I've noticed a significant growth in outdoor activity in the last ten years or so. Along with the that growth I've noticed more trash, more people going off established trails when they shouldn't (I'm not 100% anti off-trail travel), more disrespect for others who are trying to escape into nature, more people…

The logical conclusion of people visiting a place is a city. Most of the earth is beautiful if you take mans impact out of the equation.

It's not really a problem unless you think people are a problem and then it gets philosophical

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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I call this the 'Disney World' effect of nature tourism. Self-involved, entitled people who treat national parks and the wilderness like an amusement park that has been set aside for their entertainment. They expect the natural world to cater to their whims the same way a Disney world employee does, and they just do not understand that's not how the world works.

The first time I experienced this in nature was last year in Yosemite. So many people were climbing over barriers and walking in places where they shouldn't, it was horrible. I've experienced this a lot in Amsterdam too, however. Tourists are treating Amsterdam like it isn't a real city. Especially the British seem to have no respect and treat Amsterdam like it's Vegas, but with less American cops.

Yellowstone is truly the worst for this. It's an extremely fragile natural wonder populated by some of the most disrespectful tourists the world can offer.

I actually cannot conceive of how the park rangers there manage to keep their cool day after day.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really should not extrapolate to a whole continent from such a small sample.

Do be fair, they did say "east asia" and China does make up the majority of east asia by population and land mass.

Yes, but at the same time it is a-typical in its approach to many concepts, apparently including national parks. And even there, given the size of the country there is a very large chance that OP's sample size is small even within China alone.

They could have just as well been more specific and simply said 'China' or name the specific parks rather than to write 'east Asia'.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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There are so many countries and towns all over the world I have seen which basically just prostitute themselves for tourism. It's as disgusting as it is disgraceful. I don't want to see that - I like societies who welcome foreigners but do not depend on their money and hence won't sell their soul to this economic segment. It's obvious how the majority of the population suffers from this attitude where every service is made for customers who won't come back and accordingly is the quality.

Iceland is a role model in this regard.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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post #179

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That’s a pretty classist thing to say. Rich people aren’t more respectful of nature than people on a budget.

There are two algorithms for choosing a vacation destination: 1. sort vacation destinations based on actually wanting to go there, and then filter based on ability-to-go; 2. sort vacation destinations based on ability-to-go, and then pick the top one. AFAIK, there’s no correlation between wealth/class and which algorithm people use. Rich people are sometimes rich because they’re thrifty, and so are no less likely to…

Iceland is not going to be near the top of any affordability list, cheap flights or not.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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I call this the 'Disney World' effect of nature tourism. Self-involved, entitled people who treat national parks and the wilderness like an amusement park that has been set aside for their entertainment. They expect the natural world to cater to their whims the same way a Disney world employee does, and they just do not understand that's not how the world works.

I think your described 'Disney World' effect of nature tourism is a symptom of the misguided notion that pieces of nature can be cordoned off and preserved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/opinion/against-sustainab...

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/05/12/green-is-good

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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I noticed this when I visited Iceland a few years ago. Lots of tourists littering, jumping over barriers/ropes at waterfalls, and ignoring the signs that say "don't go near the ocean - it washed away a family last week!" Stupid and selfish on so many levels.

Sadly, I also noticed the same thing on Skye last month.

It goes beyond just numbers of tourists (a problem in and of itself, and one I'm obviously part of). Some people are just selfish pricks.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

#189

Until recently, I worked at a company that sends these people to Iceland, among other places. Influencers end up in that career for a reason. They are, in general, everything you'd expect them to be: flaky and privileged almost as a rule. They're not bad people per se (no tantrums that I've seen), and are often well-meaning, but most are desperate to be famous. These are the same people who competed to be on The Bach…

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Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that social media is the scapegoat of the day for whatever social problem the media discusses.

When somebody calls you an asshole, there are two general reasons why that might be. Maybe there is something wrong with the person calling you an asshole; maybe they're having a bad day or have some sort of irrational grudge against you. The alternative reason is maybe you are an asshole. When you're called an asshole once, it's easy to assume the other person is having a bad day. But if numerous people are calling…

Fair point. Society however is rewarding asshole behavior via social media
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