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Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by Fins »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #167
rlt wrote: post #138

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I’m not saying I disagree, since I haven’t seen any evidence one way or the other, but maybe you or jtr1 could provide some evidence for those who haven’t been following Gab?

The "who to follow" on the left side of the post seems to rotate, but if I go down the list of what I see literally every member boasts some sort of odious point of view: - @OldEarthNeoFash, whose description literally says they're a Nazi - @AlexanderVI, who posts about how gay men should not be allowed to be President - @Reality_and_Truth, whose description boasts about "exposing Leftist scum 300 chars at a time" -…

Frankly, if you look you can find people equally odious on Twitter as well. but if only people leaning in one direction get deplatformed there, of course they will congregate on a platform where they do not get deplatformed. Both end up as self-perpetuating filter bubbles (although Twitter might be slightly better just because its older and larger).

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by rchaud »

balaksakrionon wrote: post #170
rchaud wrote: post #155

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That won't happen because the constant alarmism about censorship is part of the appeal. "Your rights are being violated by the Hollywood/feminists/liberal elites! Send me money so I can tell you how to combat this scourge with Logic & Reason (TM)" People like J Peterson and Sargon could deal with being deplatformed in the way they preach to their disciples, but instead they whine about it while shaking their e-collec…

I suspect the type of dismisiveness you show towards large swaths of the populace's opinions contributes to the success of folks like JBP and Sargon

I suspect it does too, but probably for different reasons.

Criticism of "thought leaders" like these guys only strengthens the hold they have among the legions of young people who follow their words like gospel.

Any criticism of these figures for their platitude-heavy content and huckster-style marketing must also be a criticism of their followers as individuals, because they have bought into that mindset wholesale.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by Fins »

paulgb wrote: post #98
ryanmarsh wrote: post #76

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In spite of the fact that Gab is a known cess pool (cis pool?), I funded it because we need more alternatives to the big social networks. I would have funded Tor and 4chan had I the opportunity many years ago. Not too long ago this was a classical liberal position. Today free speech is passé. Guess I'm just old fashioned. I'm happy to see that Gab is switching to Mastodon. I think it will increase the survivability o…

> Not too long ago this was a classical liberal position. Today free speech is passé. Guess I'm just old fashioned. It's not old fashioned, it's just that people differentiate free speech in principle from paying the server bills. Just as freedom of the press never meant the newspaper had to publish your op-ed, free speech online doesn't mean Twitter has to give anyone server space to post Nazi stuff. (I agree that t…

The problem is that Twitter's definition of "nazis" basically is "anyone we don't like, which isn't exactly useful for the overall benefit of humanity. Sort of like how FB recently said that they are going to deplatform white supremacists. Why not all supremacists, while you're at it, or don't pretend that you are doing something for any kind of greater good...

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by anon12345690 »

krapp wrote: post #168
anon12345690 wrote: post #164

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uh theres a big story right now about china attacking activists. theres a story about google and amazon tracking everything and using facial recognition. everyone freaks out when google builds a china search engine. but ok, yea its all fake because you think theyre racists. whatever.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They are racists, it is all fake, and even if if it weren't all fake, I wouldn't shed a tear if they came for the racists.

so people who care about free speech are racists? or do you just throw that word around?

and theyre going to come for you too and youll be shedding a lot of tears then when its too late. its how it goes.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by anon12345690 »

ptah wrote: post #131
kgraves wrote: post #120

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> ..."free speech" in this case is a thin wrapper over white supremacism, Even though this is your opinion I find this statement extremely ridiculous. I don't support or agree with their views, but free speech grants them the right to say it and I will defend that right (which includes everyone). The great thing is that you don't have to hear it, just block them if you don't like it.

it is a fact, not an opinion

its definitely your opinion.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by scohesc »

balaksakrionon wrote: post #125
r3bl wrote: post #12

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> Now I wonder if mastodon client app developers will start filtering the allowed servers users can put in... That's precisely what Mastodon's creator suggested earlier today: https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/102184195834215862 Of course, he has no authority over mobile apps, so it remains up to app creators to decide. I believe there are three apps that share the majority of users (Fedilab, Tusky, Mast). Most popula…

Would it be possibly to camoflauge a gab instance as if it were a mastodon instance for the purposes of federation? It probably wouldn't stand up to the scrutiny of a follow up human review, it would bypass the federation block.

I'm sure there will be a sort of "Gab Relay" similar to how the PirateBay avoids domain takedowns by using multiple domains/proxies.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

balaksakrionon wrote: post #143
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #80

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Every time someone sets out to create a completely unmoderated free speech platform, it immediately becomes an object lesson in why people moderate platforms.

Why do you think it's unmoderated? I saw this same statement in another comment and pulled up their guidelines: https://gab.com/about/guidelines . Essentially they aim to moderate according to US law

It's not literally unmoderated, if you want to nitpick. But it's as unmoderated as it can be and avoid major legal troubles.

That's my point. Minimally-moderated free speech zones always seem to go septic almost immediately.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

inawarminister wrote: post #86
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #80

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Every time someone sets out to create a completely unmoderated free speech platform, it immediately becomes an object lesson in why people moderate platforms.

That's because the first adopters of an unmoderated platforms are those who were kicked out from the moderated platforms, whether rightfully or wrongly. Indeed, many settlements in the yesteryears were founded by outlaws and dissidents (also see: the Pilgrims and Mormon settlement of Utah)

So what does it say that unmoderated platforms always seem to become sinkholes of bigotry?

Or are you saying that, like the Pilgrims, they will eventually transmute themselves into something less unpleasant if left alone? That's stretching the metaphor a bit far, I think.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by Fins »

davexunit wrote: post #21
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #18

Oh, the Mastodon community is going to be ticked about this... Purism said Librem One's server wasn't going to police speech, and they were upset about it. Gab is a whole different level. I think ActivityPub has huge potential to be a way for communities of disparate views and perspectives to exist out there, and two distinct and very opposing groups have grasped onto it: People who want space spaces who don't think…

Nice job equivocating nazis and the people that don't like nazis.

Even if this were what was originally said... both groups as so large that at the edges there really is no much difference. Antifa may not5 like nazis, but only because both are competing for the same ecological niche.

Re: Gab will become a Mastodon fork

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Post by rmtech »

davexunit wrote: post #29
rmtech wrote: post #25

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> Gab is a festering pile of trash. That's your opinion. To some people, Gab is an alternative source of information that's independent of the narrative exerted by the mainstream media. > meme warning about the evils of feminism Do you want people to be kept in the dark about criticisms of feminism? What about feminism is so fragile or deceitful that criticism of it must be suppressed? In the end this is what free sp…

>alternative source of information nice rebrand of "hate speech"

> "hate speech"

nice rebrand of a view you disagree with and want to censor

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