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A New Way of Voting That Makes Zealotry Expensive

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Re: A New Way of Voting That Makes Zealotry Expensive

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Post by SkyBelow »

awinder wrote: post #174
collegecamp293 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Democrats are against outright hostility and blatant marginalization of certain classes." There are tons of YouTube videos on college campuses that prove otherwise.

Reminder: having shitty ideas is not a protected class, and “free speech” does not mean you get to say whatever batshit crazy thing comes to mind without other people expressing themselves

There seems to be an implication that the outcry is only ever against "shitty ideas". I think there are plenty of cases that prove this untrue.

Re: A New Way of Voting That Makes Zealotry Expensive

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Post by throwaway031519 »

cwperkins wrote: post #173
kro92kfmrzz wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically they disagree on how to treat their fellow citizens. Democrats are against outright hostility and blatant marginalization of certain classes. But both have largely been ok with everyone being exploited by feudal trade economics, bombing other nations to satisfy global political norms, and swindling developing nations out of their resources, while emotionally coddling elites. It means something to not be out…

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Corollary: You also had people that were very fine people on both sides.

Re: A New Way of Voting That Makes Zealotry Expensive

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Post by cwperkins »

awinder wrote: post #174
collegecamp293 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Democrats are against outright hostility and blatant marginalization of certain classes." There are tons of YouTube videos on college campuses that prove otherwise.

Reminder: having shitty ideas is not a protected class, and “free speech” does not mean you get to say whatever batshit crazy thing comes to mind without other people expressing themselves

Listen to yourself man. By closing the door to debate you open up the floor to hostility. Some conservatives have demented ideas, but that doesn’t mean ALL do. If we are going to heal our divisions it’s going to take more than each side calling the other ‘Snowflake’

Re: A New Way of Voting That Makes Zealotry Expensive

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Post by billfruit »

marricks wrote: post #42

I always hate the framing as “polarized”. There’s tons of things Democrats and Republicans agree on. Military spending goes up every year. Save for Dodd-Frank, deregulation has been common across presidencies for 30 years along with corporate tax cuts... The establishment gets things done, they really do, it’s just not things that help everyday people. I’m not sure how this would help that.

And many things which does not get done, no matter whether Republicans or Democrats are in power, like reform of the Prison System.

Re: A New Way of Voting That Makes Zealotry Expensive

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Post by komali2 »

collegecamp293 wrote: post #158
kro92kfmrzz wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically they disagree on how to treat their fellow citizens. Democrats are against outright hostility and blatant marginalization of certain classes. But both have largely been ok with everyone being exploited by feudal trade economics, bombing other nations to satisfy global political norms, and swindling developing nations out of their resources, while emotionally coddling elites. It means something to not be out…

"Democrats are against outright hostility and blatant marginalization of certain classes." There are tons of YouTube videos on college campuses that prove otherwise.

I was under the impression we were speaking of government officials, not 19 year old college kids.

Re: A New Way of Voting That Makes Zealotry Expensive

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Post by cerealbad »

if voting was mandatory in america for all adults you would get more competent people running and third parties carrying elections until the major parties shifted away from extreme positions. you don't need to feed into madness, americans are sane people who want unity and common sense.

it's not hard to do, make voting day a public holiday or put in on a weekend, use stamps on peoples hands or use name-residence registries and discount multiple votes.

this would make american elections harder to buy, and the dollar doesn't buy you what it used to anyway...

Re: A New Way of Voting That Makes Zealotry Expensive

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Post by empath75 »

mc32 wrote: post #2

Looks like this would favor highly coordinated groups to have outsized influence over poorly coordinated groups. So people who vote in isolation have less influence than people who organize and vote as a bloc. I think it also means that places where one party predominates would require the minority party to be highly coordinated in order to have any chance with one single silver “bullet” whereas the dominant party ca…

> So people who vote in isolation have less influence than people who organize and vote as a bloc.

I think that’s a feature not a bug. It would encourage people to propose plan or candidates that are acceptable to a wider part of the electorate.

Re: A New Way of Voting That Makes Zealotry Expensive

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Post by awinder »

cwperkins wrote: post #183
awinder wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminder: having shitty ideas is not a protected class, and “free speech” does not mean you get to say whatever batshit crazy thing comes to mind without other people expressing themselves

Listen to yourself man. By closing the door to debate you open up the floor to hostility. Some conservatives have demented ideas, but that doesn’t mean ALL do. If we are going to heal our divisions it’s going to take more than each side calling the other ‘Snowflake’

I'm not taking a side here and said nothing about not listening to any conservative or closing off to debate. I'm merely pointing out that "college kids didn't want to listen to token conservative talkinghead A or B" is not equivalent to how classes of people are treated in the slightest.
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