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Oh, what's that? You want to pay me the same total compensation as any other company, but make me spend twice as many hours working?
No thank you. I'll seek employment elsewhere.
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Nice comments, but may I suggest that you check your spellings before posting? Lots of things I had to interpret what you meant to say based on mispellings.
Sorry, I'm not a native speaker, that may lead to some problem because Chinese grammar can be very different to English. Maybe I should start to use grammarly from now on. Sum up the post: 1. What Jack Ma is trying to do, is equalizing Personal strive and overwork (for him). 2. In China, company have many ways to force employees stay in long hour without literally say so. For example "When boss don't leave, you don't…
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Or a drive thru employee. Or an Uber driver trying to make minimum wage. Hm.
A drive thru employee works a scheduled shift and when it's over they're done. I don't see how that example works with this topic of overtime/overwork.
It’s interesting to compare the Bloomberg article with this one from the South China Morning Post, titled “Alibaba founder Jack Ma says companies forcing staff to work overtime are ‘foolish’”. Two articles reporting on the same statements and drawing completely different conclusions. It’s getting harder to find the truth. [1]: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3006127/alib...
It will be easier to understand if you've followed the movement. Most of those companies are not forcing their employees to work 996 on paper. But if you don't, then first, your team leader will give you some hint to ask you to stay longer. If you still don't, you will be fired for any number of reasons (KPI is too low for example). Because of that, the company actually don't need to force it's employees. It just kee…
It’s interesting to compare the Bloomberg article with this one from the South China Morning Post, titled “Alibaba founder Jack Ma says companies forcing staff to work overtime are ‘foolish’”. Two articles reporting on the same statements and drawing completely different conclusions. It’s getting harder to find the truth. [1]: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3006127/alib...
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What exactly about this is fake news?
That's his point - both pieces are factually correct, but give completely opposing interpretations of those facts. It's harder to recognize "fake news" when the "fake" part is heavy editorializing of an otherwise truthful set of news.
"Fake news" is just propaganda presented as "news."
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> Do you think never having to work 996 in your life is an honour to boast about?” he said Why wouldn't you think this?
Different culture. Even here in HK, people wear their overtime as a badge of honour (if you check IG before bedtime, everyone is taking pics of their nearly empty office with a timestamp). Your standing is society is elevated by being important enough that you had to stay at work until midnight and people will say "oh they're so hard working"
Do they all coordinate to get out of the way of each other’s photos, or how exactly does this work?
I'm beginning to suspect that the 996 schedule (and its equivalents in other cultures) aren't actually about productivity; they're about devotion. Devotion isn't something a CEO can explicitly ask for, but a 996 schedule is, so that becomes the expectation even if it actually has a neutral-to-negative impact on productivity. Richard Liu almost made this explicit when he stated that people who didn't adhere to it were…
I don't think that these 12 hour days are full of productivity. My partner spent some time in the summer as a researcher at a key lab in Shanghai. She observed that researchers put in long hours (if the boss was around) but often spent time on their phones and repeated experiments mindlessly. Kai-Fu Lee discusses this culture in the Founders Fund podcast Anatomy of Next. He suggests that many of the workers will be t…
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You're still not covering the core of his argument. He also says: >“If you find a job you like, the 996 problem does not exist; if you’re not passionate about it, every minute of going to work is a torment,” Ma said in a post on his Weibo account on Sunday. The point he's making is not that 996 is bad, he's saying it's bad for people who aren't passionate about what they do. It only works for people who are passionat…
Sounds very B/W. "You either love it, or it's a torment." I think there's a lot of gray space between, that is actually fine. "I don't completely love the job, but it can be fun sometimes, and it pays the bills." It sounds like something someone trying to manipulate you would say, if I think about it. The usual: "taking two extreme sides and creating a false dichotomy".
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Bloomberg reporters get bonuses for writing stories that affect the market. Seriously.
Market manipulation is illegal and it would be pretty obvious if Bloomberg was participating in this activity