All I know is that Tesla is dominating the luxury car market right now.
As someone who owns both an I-PACE and a Model X, I can say that Tesla hasn't quite nailed the "luxury" part yet.
Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anyone want to lay odds on these cars ending up in a “certified pre-owned” program instead? This seems like a scheme to both boost future new car sales and effectively “sell” the same car twice.
I recall a LOT of EV-1 owners (relatively speaking) that wanted to buy their vehicles when the program ended, and they were denied. Doesn't mean anything here, other than it is really hard to predict what "dumb" choices companies will make.
Did they make credible offers in terms of the costs GM would incur by selling them?
(Imagine the fun news articles about GM selling them cars and then not having repair parts)
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#183Maybe if they hadn't included $5,000+ worth of (fake) "full self-driving" hardware by default into all Model 3s, they wouldn't have needed to do this, and maybe they would've been able to make the base Model 3 a little cheaper, too, which I'm sure would've positively impacted its popularity (I think a $29,900 base Model 3 would be far more popular than Standard Plus). I could understand all the other carmakers being…
> Maybe if they hadn't included $5,000+ worth of (fake) "full self-driving" hardware by default into all Model 3s FSD hardware is known as "HW3" (now known as "FSD Computer") and is not in any Teslas at the moment. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1111788218142216192?ref_...
HW3/AP3 started shipping recently.
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#184So I guess jailbreaking Teslas will become a thing at some point in the future. If all the limits are software only people will find ways to use the car they own in the way they want...
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
> even as recent as last month. Here's a video from a few days ago of Tesla's Autopilot seemingly getting confused by a line made out of dirt, veering off-road and crashing[1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWTMnnECBSo&t=51
That's not very indictive of Tesla. The driver ignored multiple signs posted with a 25mph limit, yellow 'tight curve ahead' signs and all, with plenty of time to spare. Also was there a mention of the car following the dirt line? It seems to me it loses traction way before that, and most likely disengages.
Who was driving? Autopilot or "the person in the driver’s seat [who] is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself."[1]?
[1] https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/05/23/49...
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Maybe if they hadn't included $5,000+ worth of (fake) "full self-driving" hardware by default into all Model 3s FSD hardware is known as "HW3" (now known as "FSD Computer") and is not in any Teslas at the moment. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1111788218142216192?ref_...
HW3/AP3 started shipping recently.
AFAIK we haven't seen it in the wild, only found the option codes - and only for Models X and S.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
I actually think landing an orbital rocket is probably easier by an order of magnitude, possibly even two. Rocket science is a matter of applied physics, with materials science thrown in, and a bit of very well understood and straightforward software engineering. Autonomous driving is a matter of getting AI models functioning to a well enough degree. My understanding of how this is done is you try to find more and be…
Also, SpaceX’s landings are amazing, but looking at the numbers ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_He... ): ”The rocket's first-stage boosters have been recovered in 35 of 42 landing attempts (83%).” If Tesla’s cars were as good in parking as that, one in six attempts to park a car would lead to a fender-bender or worse. Yes, that isn’t a valid comparison, but it does show that we accept way…
Seriously? Well then you just don't understand machine learning, robotics and the tyranny of the rocket equation. If you did, it would be easy to see that landing an orbital rocket is much harder than autonomous driving. The only problem is that nobody will pay 300M to get one fully self driving car after 13 years of research. And selfdriving needs tons of data which first need to be collected, which is what Tesla is doing at the highest rate than anyone in the industry by far.
Edit: one way to realize this is true is if you consider that the rocket already IS fully self driving. Everything after 1 minute mark before the liftoff is fully controlled by onboard computers, people are only there to push the big red autodestruct button if anything goes wrong.
Anyway, my point was something else. That something might seem impossible, and then after just 5 years it can be considered mundane. And I think that's what we will see with self driving too. Unless oil industry manages to manipulate public opinion in a way that stops Tesla before that.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not very indictive of Tesla. The driver ignored multiple signs posted with a 25mph limit, yellow 'tight curve ahead' signs and all, with plenty of time to spare. Also was there a mention of the car following the dirt line? It seems to me it loses traction way before that, and most likely disengages.
Who was driving? Autopilot or "the person in the driver’s seat [who] is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself."[1]? [1] https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/05/23/49...
That's a red herring, full self driving is not enabled in any car and drivers are fully aware. I failed to find any more information on this video. The dashboard is not visible, there is no sound, no way to tell if Autopilot was engaged or not, or if the car is even a Tesla.
Also, I believe off-ramp functionality was only added recently with 'navigate on autopilot', if someone tried this without taking over as instructed, well...
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would an auto-car that crashed at a rate 1/10th of humans be a successful "full autonomous" vehicle? You could save 30000 lives a year in the US by deploying such vehicles and probably more due to knock-on effects. But that would be about 10 auto-car deaths/per day. No way that works with the current media. Unfortunately, it seems many people are not going to accept auto-cars with less than airplane like safety level…
> an auto-car that crashed at a rate 1/10th of humans This is incredibly generous assumption, especially given the fact that cars with advertised Autopilot features, like Tesla's offerings, actually make accidents more likely[1][2]. Compared to the driver fatality rate in other luxury vehicles, Tesla's offerings nearly triple driver fatality[3]. This is like theorizing about a car that survives 99.9% of all impacts a…
> This is like theorizing about a car that survives 99.9% of all impacts at any speed. It doesn't exist, nor is there any indication that it will exist
now THIS is a strawman