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Wait, am I being unclear or are the downvotes from anti-vaxxers? The anti-vaxxers send death threats to people who correct their erroneous claims. That's how you shut down reasoned discourse -- by having fervent zealots attack anyone who contradicts them. Obviously attacking people who disagree with you is the opposite of them having free speech. It suppresses the speech of anyone not willing to be subject to the thr…

You're getting downvoted because you're dangerously wrong. Yes some anti-vaxers send threats, but the idea that they have managed to silence the mainstream scientific opinion on vaccines is ludicrous. That information is widely available to everybody. I bet you can't find a single anti-vaxer who isn't aware of what the mainstream position on vaccine safety is. Being opposed to the orthodox position is a big part of t…

> Also anti-vax isn't something new. It dates back to at least the mid 90s

Back to the dawn of vaccines themselves, indeed.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/index.php/content/articles...

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It's very sad to see the path the EU has chosen to follow in regards to speech and the free flow of ideas.

It's a path that pre-dates the EU. We're a crowded continent with a huge amount of diversity and a long and bitter history of war. We have learned through bitter experience that, while free speech is a precious right, it is also an extremely dangerous one in the wrong circumstances. Germans in particular are acutely aware of the disastrous consequences of allowing incitement to go unchallenged. Free speech is not unc…

> Germans in particular are acutely aware of the disastrous consequences of allowing incitement to go unchallenged

Evidently not, as that would probably mean we would not be on the road to make at least some mistakes again.

We also had hate speech laws in the 19th century...

But the real curious argument is that the state was lacking oversight and control over public content. It almost makes you angry thinking about it.

Germany had a laisser-faire approach to recent content control. That worked brilliantly. That changed and suddenly we have some really angry people wanting to change some things.

Additionally, the far right people want content control as much as everyone. I don't want to see a smug smile while they implement hate-speech laws like in Austria.

Using the german experience to justify content control is infantile.

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It didn't start out that way. It started with conspiracy theorists and fake news.

Do you know where that first term comes from? It's strongly related to the second.

Are you suggesting the term 'conspiracy theorist' is somehow a new thing tied to the emergence of 'fake news'?

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Spain has passed a law banning the “glorification of terrorism” or “humiliating victims of terrorism”. While this is not 'speech critical of the government' the law is vaguely worded and has been broadly interpreted. More detail in this report from Amnesty International: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/Spain-Counter...

I don't know why you're being downvoted. While the GP comment is total BS, what you wrote is simply the facts. There's nobody in jail for writing anything. The report is based on facts, but it goes overboard with the conclusions. Edit: the BS comment is by oarsinsync, so it should be GGP, sorry if that led to confusionl.

Apologies, I appear to have overstated things for sure.

That said, satire against the police force lands you in court:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/07/satirical-arti...

And tweeting can get you a suspended sentence (which got overturned on appeal, but didn't prevent the original conviction):

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/01/spanish-studen...

I did overstate things, but "total BS" doesn't seem fair either.

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>A free society is one, where people and ideas can show up, be given a chance, and stand or fall on their character and merits. How do you square this with the recent surge in flat Earth and anti-vaccination beliefs? The merits of truth aren't guaranteed to win this battle.

The merits of truth aren't guaranteed to win this battle. Winning a battle is an unfortunate metaphor for public debate or democracy in general. After all, what we want is to discuss options without violence. Someone has to win elections, right. But that doesn't make the losing option wrong, just not as popular. There are many options that I consider wrong, or very wrong, that are "winning" right now. I accept that s…

>After all, what we want is to discuss options without violence.

One side of this debate is inherently violent. People are dying from easily preventable diseases.

>What I find scary is what stcredzero points: that many ideas "win" by despicable means.

Anti-vaccination beliefs are already winning by despicable means because those with virtuous means choose to do nothing.

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Politicians do not care about the ramifications of this. They only care about granting themselves power over who sees what when through the guise of combating hate speech, terrorism, child porn, etc. Posting a blog about this will change nothing.

So do you think none of those people actually care about combating hate speech, terrorism, child porn, etc? Or do you think they just see these things as usual tools to get power - and to what end exactly?

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#188
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A clever circumvention of innocent until proven guilty - make disobedience carry huge legal risk. You must obey orders (takedown 'requests'), not backed by any court. If you fail, and one turns out to be legitimate, you get punished. Imagine if you had to stop doing business with anyone reported as a thief (but not convicted).

The ability to smear through accusation, without proof, without due process, and without the presumption of innocence has always been the province of tyrants in power and the tool of would-be tyrants trying to gain power. Those who accuse and un-person are the villains throughout history. In the past, people were smeared as sexually loose, as belonging to the "wrong" religion, or as having the "wrong" sexual orientat…

Another thought occurred to me, can free speech survive speech that attacks free speech? If so, there's nothing to worry about. If not, then you enter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance where speech arguing against the freedom of speech must be banned and we agree there must be limits on speech to protect itself.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Happened in Feb 2019 to a story on telegra.ph archived by me. It was scary first, then I asked the archive.org webmaster and I understood that it was a telegra.ph link, not because of the content. Now the archived link works OK. https://imgur.com/a/eJd4FeM

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post #66

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It is implied that the parent comment was talking about illegal drugs. Interesting side fact: unlike in english, there are two completely distinct words for illegal and legal drugs in russian language. Which a lot of times makes it easier to spot russian-speaking posters, as they tend to refer to illegal drugs as just "drugs", while referring to legal ones using other more specific terms, like "pills" or something el…

Not only Russian. In Spanish "droga" y "medicamento" are different words too.

French too: "drogues" and "médicaments"
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