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Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Post by acct1771 »

josteink wrote: post #153
yingw787 wrote: post #25

When I interned at AT&T a few years ago, I asked a manager I respected whether they were worried about Google Fiber coming in and eating their lunch. "No", he said. "We'll sue them for every mile of fiber they lay down". I can understand why they would make that play. It's kind of the only play they have. AT&T and Verizon innovate enough to remain...okay...but they're not exactly Google. The only way they would win i…

> No", he said. "We'll sue them for every mile of fiber they lay down". When companies can sue other companies for providing them with actual competition, you know customers are getting so utterly screwed. I don’t even understand how this can be legal. So glad I don’t live in the US.

Because the politicians have sold legislation making it legal, and nobody stopped them.

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Post by fourthark »

spullara wrote: post #175
mike00632 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally, even walls can break the 5G connection. Hope you don't live in a home that has any of those.

This is for outside point-to-point, not for receiving indoors. Serves the same purpose as last-mile fiber, not wifi. The 5G lands service at the location and you use wifi inside to access it. Just like you would with fiber/cable/dsl.

Sounds only a little bit cheaper and a lot less reliable than fiber. We'll see!

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Post by heavenlyblue »

scarface74 wrote: post #165
krageon wrote: post #161

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You're paying a lot of money for a gigabit connection and you don't get full speed. You are apparently happy about that, I'm afraid I don't follow.

You mean 940Mbps up and down isn’t “full speed”? So did you sneak into almost any room in my gigabit wired house and do a speed test? I have a wired computer in my office and two 4K AppleTVs and they all report 900Mbps+ up and down. My son’s wired PS4 reports around 600Mbps. I also bet that AT&T won’t abandon my neighborhood and become uninterested like Google does for basically everything in three years.

Do they keep that speed 24/7?

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Post by MiddleEndian »

OldHand2018 wrote: post #123
MiddleEndian wrote: post #60

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I live in Boston, where Google had a service called WebPass which was fiber with radio dishes for the last mile. They eventually gave up on our market, but two other radio fiber ISPs exist$. So Google isn't the necessarily the best competitor in that market. $ Due to a wacky series of misunderstandings, both of these ISPs service my building now that Webpass is gone. They periodically send out sales reps who bring sn…

There was an existing company called WebPass that Google bought. As far as I can tell, they got rid of all the local sales and support in the dozens of cities they operated in (presumably to fold all that into their existing Google Fiber org). It was a total failure.

Aah that is a shame. They're clearly not equipped to handle anything that requires human support.

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Post by Latteland »

acct1771 wrote: post #181
josteink wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No", he said. "We'll sue them for every mile of fiber they lay down". When companies can sue other companies for providing them with actual competition, you know customers are getting so utterly screwed. I don’t even understand how this can be legal. So glad I don’t live in the US.

Because the politicians have sold legislation making it legal, and nobody stopped them.

A lot of legislation that benefits large and somewhat conservative conglomerates is created by ALEC, one of the most evil and destructive groups in the US. If you want more middle men and want to reduce competition on companies like AT&T, they are your friend. They write 'model laws' and give them to clueless conservative legislators. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_...

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Post by dodobirdlord »

linuxftw wrote: post #170
dodobirdlord wrote: post #155

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In all seriousness, why should they? There are obvious diminishing returns and there's a point where the distances get large enough and the number of people gets small enough that it's unjustifiable. Opportunity costs exist, and it follows that advocating for money to be spent inefficiently is bad.

I never said they should. I actually don't believe there should be goverment owned roads or utilities (or subsidized utilities in general). Nobody actually cares about the rural poor. No transportation options, limited services in general. It's just laughable how people consider themselves so giving, unless those people live outside the city, then screw those people.

I don't think there is a point to be made here. It's unreasonable to suggest that people should deliberately target their giving in an inefficient manner.

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Post by scarface74 »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #183
scarface74 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean 940Mbps up and down isn’t “full speed”? So did you sneak into almost any room in my gigabit wired house and do a speed test? I have a wired computer in my office and two 4K AppleTVs and they all report 900Mbps+ up and down. My son’s wired PS4 reports around 600Mbps. I also bet that AT&T won’t abandon my neighborhood and become uninterested like Google does for basically everything in three years.

Do they keep that speed 24/7?

I am not running speed test 24/7. I can definitely say my internet speed has never been the bottleneck. The few times that I have noticed getting a consistent drop to only 600Mbps, I just rebooted my router.

Are you saying that they’re are ISPs that never oversubscribe their lines anywhere along the route?

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Post by smueller1234 »

halbritt wrote: post #46
smueller1234 wrote: post #43

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I would also point to the engineering required to build and operate some of the world's largest datacenter and wan infrastructure.

They don't build the WAN infrastructure, nor is building data centers an exercise in civil engineering. Typically, data centers are located where the least amount of civil engineering is required.

Google don't? Not exclusively, but well:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/17/google-builds-its-own-subs...

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Post by greedo »

walrus01 wrote: post #106
greedo wrote: post #105

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Lincoln Nebraska has done it. Google Allo...

Lincoln, NE is near 99% aerial ftth. The economics for aerial pole/strand based ftth are very different than if you need to start trenching, boring, directional drilling and doing things underground.

Where are you getting this figure? My deployment is trenched, and other than the downtown areas, I haven't heard of anyone using poles.

Re: Visible signs left after Google Fiber abandons Louisville

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Post by greedo »

dwighttk wrote: post #127
greedo wrote: post #104

My city negotiated a fiber contract with Allo that was very favorable to the city. Allo basically provides free internet to municipal buildings for the right to sell fiber to residential areas. The entire city is almost covered (300K people), and rates are very affordable ($90/month for 1gig symmetrical). Allo also sells tv and phone service as well. I've been extremely happy. Allo provided the CPE at no cost, doesn'…

I thought Google just canceled Allo the other day...

Different Allo. www.allocommunications.com
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