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Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #95

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Some banks may be giving out loans, but they aren't going to be for everyone. Not everyone is 100% guaranteed to be able to return to their job after the shutdown. Banks know that.

They are guaranteed backpay though, so that should work as collateral.

Not everyone is directly a Federal employee, there are tons of contractors and people who work for contractors who won't get back pay and aren't guaranteed anything.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Bearing in mind that ~40% of american's could not come up with $400 to cover emergencies, this is going to become more prevalent in the next few days / weeks as people will simply not be able to afford gas to get to their unpaid work. I read an article today discussing how TSA workers in HI are living in their cars in the airport parking lot as they cannot afford to commute. The FBI just cancelled its internship prog…

On one hand, I understand Ross’ reasoning. If my company were to go to a bank with a federal guarantee, we’d get a very cheap loan.

On the other hand, he thinks an average individual’s response to missing paychecks should be to seek a low interest loan against a government guarantee. That’s comically out of touch. I’ve been working in finance my entire life and I’d have a tough time working through the loan application process.

That’s the type of advice you’d hear a private wealth manager give to his wealthy client. Wealthy people are often asset rich but cash poor so they’ll take out bank loans to finance short term cash flow needs. No doubt Wilbur Ross has availed himself to these services and is shocked that government employees haven’t taken advantage of such conveniences.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #7

I’m glad to see this. The shutdown has been too “business as usual” for most Americans, while others are expected to work without pay, which is ridiculous.

Sadly I suspect the long term cost to get this far will be on the poorest folks...

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #39

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Members of the Coast Guard are not allowed to quit. They are under UCMJ rules. EDIT: For those that don't know the Coast Guard is not part of the Department of Defense. They are under DHS and are not getting paid and are not allowed to quit.

The USCG may not be part of DOD, but it's still part of the US Armed Forces. The US Supreme Court has historically deemed conscription to not constitute involuntary servitude as banned by the 13th Amendment. I suspect the same logic would apply here.

The members of the Coast Guard were not conscripted. I don't know if that changes anything for you. But the salient facts are the Coast Guardsmen are not being paid and are not legally allowed to quit. So, according to your previous statement you agree that slavery is an appropriate word in this case. Also, one must contend with the fact that while conscription is not illegal they were paid for their services.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #120

There'll be a lot of angry people if the same thing happens in Atlanta over Super Bowl weekend.

Interestingly the law that created the TSA expressly allows private security checks if they follow published TSA guidelines. It's just that the TSA has refused to publish any written guidelines. So it's entirely possible that airports could just bring in their own security checks.

SFO has private security. But getting it implemented in a week at the busiest airport in the world is probably not realistic.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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I hope not too off topic, but I'm puzzled by shutdowns. Every other country I can think of has a system where if the finance is not agreed, the previous budget just continues. The budget sets the yearly amount for each department and it runs on until another budget changes how much everyone gets. Sometimes a new department gets created, sometimes something is abolished. Everyone gets their salary and services run on.…

"Antideficiency Act", apparently.

The practical politics of it is that there is one party that's become ideologically opposed to all non-military Federal spending. From their point of view the automatic shutdown is a feature.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #93

At the risk of introducing a political topic into this supposedly apolitical subject, why shouldn't any president simply make demands and then shut down the government until his/her political opponents cave? Seemingly this strategy will not work ever again for either party if proper steps are taken. It seems like a terrible abuse of executive power.

Well, obviously this is, in the abstract, a sort of balance. Both sides have that power, and both sides fear being blamed for using it.

In any specific case, blame is more likely to fall on the side that demands anything out of the ordinary.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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I'm Irish. Our politics is usually boring, so we watch the east and west (UK & US) versions.

From an outside perspective, it sounds like the destructive stalemates currently causing havoc in parliament & Congress are quite similar.

Everything is political machinations. The issues at hand (brexits & border walls) are popular/opinionated with the public, but most politicians don't feel as strongly about these issues.

They are equally happy if things go well, and they get credit or they go bad, and the other side gets blamed. I know politics always has.. politics, but I don't remember it ever being so explicit.

A mental exercise I often go to is imagining a secret ballot. I suspect that the votes would be totally different, if the ballot was secret.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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In Canada it triggers a new election

I had to refresh my memory on how this works up here, but generally our parliamentary system is designed to refresh itself when it becomes dysfunctional: https://globalnews.ca/news/3568037/vote-of-no-confidence-can... I don't know how it might work in the American system with the "balance of powers" or if it might be abused but generally our unstable minority governments resolve to a more stable majority after a few…

> unstable minority governments resolve to a more stable majority after a few election calls.

And before that time you get parties that have to work together to keep things moving, forcing compromise, and giving the less represented groups more power for a time.

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