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Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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yumraj wrote: post #61
neosavvy wrote: post #57

How is no one talking about https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/ These guys actually fix their bugs. It works on every database known to humans, and also does nearly everything DBeaver appears to do.

Perhaps, but DBeaver is free while Datagrid is not, in fact it is rather expensive at $199. For many people, including me perhaps, something like DBeaver is good enough since it's free.

It's about $8 a month and even lower on subsequent years.

But the real power of DataGrip comes by using it in one of their IDE that auto completes table and column names inside code and allows you to shift-click it to get to see the definition and show warning when you specify an unknown field.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by h1d »

rplnt wrote: post #141
neosavvy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are a student it's free. Also good tools are worth paying for, I have been a subscription user of their tools now for years. I think it's like $199 for a subscription to the whole suite. If you are a dev (or work for someone who expects you to do dev work for pay) it's worthy spending a few of your coins on good tools. I stare at these tools all darn day, and they rarely if ever crash. I don't regret moving aw…

That's 2/3 of a minimal monthly salary in Bulgaria. While developers sure make much more than that (unless they are in public sector), it's still nowhere near the $100k/year starting salary you get in the Valley. And that's still EU, you can go further East... When saying something is not expensive (few of your coins), consider that it might be just your situation where it's not expensive.

You don't need $100k / year to spend $10 a month but I see the disparity of income around the globe can mean $10 is heavier than others.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by h1d »

neosavvy wrote: post #57

How is no one talking about https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/ These guys actually fix their bugs. It works on every database known to humans, and also does nearly everything DBeaver appears to do.

I tried to like it and used it for a few months but eventually got back to SequelPro and it just feels breeze to use when every operation is so snappy not to mention an instant launch.

The embedded DataGrip can be a good tool inside one of their IDE though.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by h1d »

endorphone wrote: post #80
neosavvy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are a student it's free. Also good tools are worth paying for, I have been a subscription user of their tools now for years. I think it's like $199 for a subscription to the whole suite. If you are a dev (or work for someone who expects you to do dev work for pay) it's worthy spending a few of your coins on good tools. I stare at these tools all darn day, and they rarely if ever crash. I don't regret moving aw…

I agree wholeheartedly, and subscribe to the whole suite of JetBrains tools. Absolutely fantastic value.

Their all product pricing is pretty good value. If you need more than 2 of their tools (while using IntelliJ which covers half of their offerings), then you should switch to all products and quickly get to third year discount.

I use IntelliJ, AppCode and that already means I should be using all products pack which I'm subscribed to.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by h1d »

nerdponx wrote: post #93
meddlepal wrote: post #87

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Developers are hands down one of the cheapest group of customers to deal with. I've been shelling out for IntelliJ Ultimate for years because I want to support JetBrains. At this point I think I could actually get away with just the open source Community Edition, but it's worth paying them for the effort in my mind.

Is it common to buy your own tools in other skilled trades (when you aren't a freelancer)? I don't mind buying good software, but it feels weird for me to pay in order to make my employer more money. It's not like the productivity boost I get from buying Datagrip is going to get me a raise or a better job. That said, for software I use in my personal life I can and do pay, and I think we should all be more in the hab…

If you don't want to make yourself more productive to make yourself worth more and try to stay at what you're being paid for, that's your option.

I don't understand why you don't to become a more productive person then you may get a better job offer or start your own company where you and your customers will be the one to evaluate your worth instead of a single boss of yours.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by h1d »

tomnipotent wrote: post #91
meddlepal wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developers are hands down one of the cheapest group of customers to deal with. I've been shelling out for IntelliJ Ultimate for years because I want to support JetBrains. At this point I think I could actually get away with just the open source Community Edition, but it's worth paying them for the effort in my mind.

I love JetBrains, ever since I discovered ReSharper when I was still active in C# some 10 years go. Now I use PyCharm, DataGrip and GoLand on a daily basis and am happy to throw my money at them.

Isn't it becoming cheaper to go with all products pack at that point?

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by h1d »

dewey wrote: post #138
tomnipotent wrote: post #76

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> rather expensive at $199 Compared to a six-figure salary? Developers tools are a bargain for what we get out of them.

Not everyone makes a six figure salary and not everyone lives in a country where software developers are paid well. I do, but it’s a very ignorant view to justify expenses.

Is there any studies that show what kind of salary people get in various regions of the world for certain skill set levels?

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by h1d »

ggregoire wrote: post #96
tomnipotent wrote: post #76

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> rather expensive at $199 Compared to a six-figure salary? Developers tools are a bargain for what we get out of them.

Do you actually think people outside of the US make six-figure salary?

I'm not from US but I'm interested in knowing what people make around the world for software engineers.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by h1d »

wyqydsyq wrote: post #68
neosavvy wrote: post #57

How is no one talking about https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/ These guys actually fix their bugs. It works on every database known to humans, and also does nearly everything DBeaver appears to do.

The software is great but I would never buy it purely because of their business model. There is absolutely no reason DataGrip needs to be a subscription service. There aren't any ongoing costs for customers to use it. It should be a one-off purchase with optional support subscription, maybe requiring re-purchase at major version increments, not this bullshit where you need to maintain a subscription for a license on…

So why don't you pay once and keep that version for as long as you want? It's a perpetual license.

If you want major updates, it's not weird to be asked to pay for it, which means continued subscription.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by h1d »

spullara wrote: post #88
wyqydsyq wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The software is great but I would never buy it purely because of their business model. There is absolutely no reason DataGrip needs to be a subscription service. There aren't any ongoing costs for customers to use it. It should be a one-off purchase with optional support subscription, maybe requiring re-purchase at major version increments, not this bullshit where you need to maintain a subscription for a license on…

You always have a perpetual license to the last version that your subscription covered. It isn't anything like Adobe's model.

Not to mention all product pack isn't as costly as $50 like Adobe's.
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