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Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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From a comment I had left on a related thread, > Though very uncanny, this is rather easy to extrapolate even using the basic facets FB has available. But the most overlooked is photos. They are offline beacons and are to offline tracking what websites are to online tracking. For example you and a group of 10 other people took photos at the same location which FB sees as a small gathering of intimate friends. It will…

Can you substantiate any of what you present as facts with actual sources?

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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post #159

From a comment I had left on a related thread, > Though very uncanny, this is rather easy to extrapolate even using the basic facets FB has available. But the most overlooked is photos. They are offline beacons and are to offline tracking what websites are to online tracking. For example you and a group of 10 other people took photos at the same location which FB sees as a small gathering of intimate friends. It will…

> In this case, Google or FB will not be able to tell you how they drew the connection, because even they won't know. All you can assume is the AI engine will take dozens of parameters today and hundreds tomorrow.

Sure there are ways to implement systems like this where you can't understand what they are doing. Just like you can launch websites and webservices without any metrics, monitors, or logging.

But why would you?

It requires more work, and it makes the underlying architecture more complicated but any sensible organization with a good engineering excellence fundamentals would ensure they can introspect and debug the outputs of any production algorithm.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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post #181
post #159

From a comment I had left on a related thread, > Though very uncanny, this is rather easy to extrapolate even using the basic facets FB has available. But the most overlooked is photos. They are offline beacons and are to offline tracking what websites are to online tracking. For example you and a group of 10 other people took photos at the same location which FB sees as a small gathering of intimate friends. It will…

Can you substantiate any of what you present as facts with actual sources?

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Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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post #159

From a comment I had left on a related thread, > Though very uncanny, this is rather easy to extrapolate even using the basic facets FB has available. But the most overlooked is photos. They are offline beacons and are to offline tracking what websites are to online tracking. For example you and a group of 10 other people took photos at the same location which FB sees as a small gathering of intimate friends. It will…

On the exact day when my daughter started first grade this year, Google Photos (which I use pretty often) notified me that it had made a new video montage. It started with a title slide saying "Look how fast they grow", and then showed photos and videos of her (not a single mistake with one of my other kids or any of her friends) growing up from ages 0 to 6, ending with the photo I had just taken of her in front of school. It was really nicely made, but it also freaked me out quite a bit how they not only detect "today is first day of school" and act on that, but also "this photo is of Kid Y, not Kid X" at all ages growing up.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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I don't want privacy controls, I want complete control. I'm stoked about the Librem 5 project, and I hope it succeeds enough to not disappear in a couple years. I just bought a phone, but I'll likely buy the next rev if the first one works out. I don't need much from my phone, and as long as I can make/receive calls/texts, browse the web, and can get consistent security patches from the community (e.g. some Linux dis…

If you are paranoid about your location data and security patches you should consider lineageOS and microg [1]. Awesome projects. You can have your location data stored in your phone and not rely on google. [1] https://lineage.microg.org/

Yes, except this talk [1] still applies

[1] https://media.ccc.de/v/35c3-9941-how_facebook_tracks_you_on_...

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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post #6

by comparing the accelerometer and gyroscope readings of each phone, the data could identify when people were facing each other or walking together. More evidence we need far more privacy controls in mobile operating systems.

I've always been floored that people leave their location services turned on by default. I have mine on for no more than a few minutes a month. I only turn it on when I'm in an unfamiliar location, don't have my bearings, and looking at the map alone isn't enough to help without GPS.

I use location and a dash of IFTTT to auto-fill timesheets. I'm aware it's a trade-off.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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post #16

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I'm not really sure if that's a scary facebook thing or merely just an inconvenient reality of the world we live in now. These aren't mutually exclusive. The reality of the world may just be acquiring more scary things, and ones that are created for profit.

I don’t think profit motive is the scary second ingredient, but rather the massive centralization of data that Facebook (and a few other tech giants) have.

The centralization itself is driven by the profit motive.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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post #36

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Interestingly, though I’m loath to insinuate they are an authority on anything, the UN has declared Internet access and access to information and dissemination a basic human right. “[The UN] condemns unequivocally measures to intentionally prevent or disrupt access to or dissemination of information online”. It appears they believe it’s close to being a utility, and I’d argue in a way it has become close enough to ne…

> the UN has declared Internet access and access to information and dissemination a basic human right ISPs are a utility. Facebook is not.

They are a utility insofar as social graph is concerned.

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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post #6

by comparing the accelerometer and gyroscope readings of each phone, the data could identify when people were facing each other or walking together. More evidence we need far more privacy controls in mobile operating systems.

I don't want privacy controls, I want complete control. I'm stoked about the Librem 5 project, and I hope it succeeds enough to not disappear in a couple years. I just bought a phone, but I'll likely buy the next rev if the first one works out. I don't need much from my phone, and as long as I can make/receive calls/texts, browse the web, and can get consistent security patches from the community (e.g. some Linux dis…

Exactly. We (tinfoil hat's) don't want to go with less.

Google/Apple have enough power etc. and I hope Librem5 will be here to show that it is possible to create a descent smartphone with a REAL linux (no, not android) under the hood.

Freedom is only real if you own & control it - not if someone tells you that you're free to go now (to rise the shares probably) ;-)

Re: Facebook Knows How to Track You Using the Dust on Your Camera Lens

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want privacy controls, I want complete control. I'm stoked about the Librem 5 project, and I hope it succeeds enough to not disappear in a couple years. I just bought a phone, but I'll likely buy the next rev if the first one works out. I don't need much from my phone, and as long as I can make/receive calls/texts, browse the web, and can get consistent security patches from the community (e.g. some Linux dis…

If you are paranoid about your location data and security patches you should consider lineageOS and microg [1]. Awesome projects. You can have your location data stored in your phone and not rely on google. [1] https://lineage.microg.org/

This is just not enough. I want to control the baseband and I want hardware switches on microphones, location and cameras.

Also there is F-Droid (only open source apps for Android) and the Yalp Store (alternative to Google Play with faked account so you don't have to own one).

Hacking my device like with jailbreak (iOS) or rooting (android) is not the way I want to have to go to feel secure and it's nothing I want to have to do before I think I can use my phone.

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