facial recognition is probably worst because it is harder to avoid, unless your are Muslim, but cellphone tracking is very bad: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/12/05/mobile_users_can_be... (bluetooth and wifi are also pretty bad)
Facial recognition: It’s time for action
181–190 of 281 posts
Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action
#182Maybe I'm a bit too cynical, but I guess MS isn't that heavily invested/successful in facial recognition technology, that's why it can posture like that?
Because this feels a bit reminiscent of the "G-man" campaign, which might have been fun and had a point, but a point that seemingly got lost along the road of "Windows 10 as a service/storefront".
At least gotta give it to MS PR: They seem to know what's on peoples minds and are rather good at trying to appeal to that.
Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action
#183This is the first instance I've seen of the tech industry calling for regulation. I admire this and the idea that people running a corporation can understand that despite their best intentions, in the long run the corporation will act to maximize profit via legal means, even if an action is not in the best interest of society. And so in some cases we need to make certain things illegal. I would love to see a company…
Really? Elon Musk has been making such calls for quite some time - although it has been regarding AI in general and not just facial recognition.
The last time I heard him talking about it, he seemed rather disheartened by the fact he'd been unable to have any impact.
Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action
#184Biometrics are creeping into everyday life. One of my local gyms this week switched to requiring fingerprints or you were barred from access. Another local gym uses facial recognition for entrance, although you can choose to have a member card instead if you ask for it directly, they don't list it as an option. Thankfully in the EU we have GDPR. It considers biometrics as a similar sensitivity to medical data, so unl…
Biometrics are the future equivalent of using the same password everywhere.
It seems more like 2FA using body parts instead of a phone.
Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action
#185Biometrics are creeping into everyday life. One of my local gyms this week switched to requiring fingerprints or you were barred from access. Another local gym uses facial recognition for entrance, although you can choose to have a member card instead if you ask for it directly, they don't list it as an option. Thankfully in the EU we have GDPR. It considers biometrics as a similar sensitivity to medical data, so unl…
Sort of a tangent, but I wonder if there are any EU countries that have mandatory biometric ID cards. After a cursory (5-10 minute) search I found countries that either used to have ID cards but currently don't, used to have biometric ID cards but currently don't require biometrics, or have biometric ID cards that are optional. It does seem likely that in the future some country will, if it hasn't already, concede an…
Hungary scanned my fingerprints when I applied for a residence permit.
Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action
#186This is a laudable first step in advocacy for real regulation of a technology that already has huge impacts on privacy and civil society. I was in the room for one of the meetings with Microsoft's senior leadership as a representative of a Seattle-based civil liberties group. While our coalition would like to see MS go further, it was quite clear that they take their commitment to corporate responsibility and ethics…
Yay for MS and boo Amazon. I agree.
But the root cause of the problem is legal. No matter how you try to analyse this,it's a social problem and society is governed by laws through government not by corporate policies through megacorps.
America's democracy is not agile. It cannot adopt to rapid changes in society and advancements in technology. America desperately needs legal reform starting from the constitution.
For this issue in particular,why aren't lawmakers passing laws in favor of the public? I don't want this to be up to Microsoft feeling like a good "corporate citizen" today,the government is supposed to be for the people,by the people and of the people.
You what concerns me and should scare every american? What if everyone is running around trying to fix the symptoms while ignoring the elephant in the room,a disease at the heart of american democracy. What if by the time people get around to try and fix the disease(root cause) it's too late?
Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action
#187This is a laudable first step in advocacy for real regulation of a technology that already has huge impacts on privacy and civil society. I was in the room for one of the meetings with Microsoft's senior leadership as a representative of a Seattle-based civil liberties group. While our coalition would like to see MS go further, it was quite clear that they take their commitment to corporate responsibility and ethics…
> This stands in stark contrast to the meeting I attended on Tuesday with Amazon's general counsel regarding their Rekognition service. And I think that cuts to the core of this: this is an anti-Amazon move. Nonetheless, I do also think it's a pro-consumer, pro-civil liberties stance. It's also a recognition that the tide is turning with respect to consumers and privacy; here, Microsoft is getting ahead of this chang…
Amazon's Rekognition is a joke: it is weak FR, does not have basic features, and is overly expensive. The only thing they have going for them is Amazon's PR. They fooled you into thinking their Yugo of a product is anything at all. Disclaimer: I work at a real FR company, and Rekognition is no where, a non-contender in quality, features and price. A joke.
Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a really good line in the sand, and relatively practical as well. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be put into the books with all the interests corporations would have in keeping it out.
Really?! I don't think it is a good line in the sand. Because even though we can draw lines around how an AI might act like a human in a certain case, recognize you as a frequenter of a store, when we connect that AI to the rest of the computer capabilities out there it quickly becomes something a human couldn't do. A convencience store clerk might remember several dozen, even several hundered frequent customers but…
>> when we connect that AI to the rest of the computer capabilities out there it quickly becomes something a human couldn't do.
Connecting the AI face recognizer to the cloud or any other system is exactly where the line needs to be.
Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> This is a laudable first step in advocacy for real regulation of a technology... Perhaps I'm jaded, but I don't agree at all. They're trying to get it regulated so they can be creepy without fear. One of the first "good" uses listed was finding 3000 children. "Think of the children" is a common rallying cry for evil. Nothing else mentioned was really relevant. The line IMHO needs to be drawn at anything that you'd…
Except with a warrant, it's entirely legal (and has been for a long time) currently for a surveillance team to physically stalk you in areas with an expectation of privacy (TEMPEST, wiretaps, etc), and in public areas they don't even need a warrant (actually, in public areas, it's legal for anyone to stalk you - just ask celebrities about their paparazzi stalkers). As best I can tell, from a surveillance standpoint w…
>> Except with a warrant, it's entirely legal
I don't think Microsoft and their partners are interested in building a warrants-only surveillance system. Businesses already have camera systems and one could run face recognition on stored video after something has happened. Nobody is talking about that. This is all about real-time cloud connected face recognition.
Re: Facial recognition: It’s time for action
#190This is a laudable first step in advocacy for real regulation of a technology that already has huge impacts on privacy and civil society. I was in the room for one of the meetings with Microsoft's senior leadership as a representative of a Seattle-based civil liberties group. While our coalition would like to see MS go further, it was quite clear that they take their commitment to corporate responsibility and ethics…
> He also denied that Amazon had any responsibility for the negative impacts of their AI/ML technologies, or role to play in industry efforts to self-regulate. For a period of time, there was a lot of chatter about all developers having some kind of professional oath, like doctors. Many of the approaches that were taken have issues (preclude working on smart weapons program or legal surveillance). I wonder if what we…
What is "evil"?