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Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#181
post #27

I live in Baltimore and these things have been awesome. Over the summer and early fall, I used them a lot for trips that were between 3-15 blocks. They were usually less than half the price of a Lyft, were fun to drive, don't directly use fossil fuels and were usually available (in one app or the other) within a block or two of my house. I used them to meet friends for brunch, to pick up my car from getting worked on…

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Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#182
post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Functionally this is the easiest problem in the world to solve. It's the same solution for scooters and dockless bikeshare. Take two parking spots in each block. Put beacons on the corners or some kind of signaling tape around the whole thing. Only let users drop off rides inside that spot. Bonus points for having non-locking racks to help organize. People get to litter their car on the side of my road, often in the…

People keep bringing up this problem because it's still a problem. If it's so easy to solve, why is it not solved? Cities should simply impound any scooter not properly parked and charge $200 to get it back. Since solving the parking problem is so easy, this will push Bird/Lime into finally solving it.

Because people on the whole are incredibly resistant to even a tiny loss in street parking. Swapping out a carpark for a parklet that incorporates scooter parking can generate uproar. And action would need to come from the city/council side.

Whenever there is talk of changes to street parking, businesses are outraged at the removal of convenience for their customers. (In most cases, I think they're actually upset at the loss of convenience for their own parking.)

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#183

The problem with these scooters is that they are great as a user, but terrible for everyone else. They are a lot of fun to ride, but if you're just a regular old pedestrian they are a nightmare, people park them in the streets and pass by you way to quickly and closely on the sidewalk. But riding them in the street pisses off drivers and is pretty dangerous, at least that's how it shakes out in Cincinnati.

"The problem with these scooters is that they are great as a user, but terrible for everyone else."

So, like cars?

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#184

It's strange that even though SF approved 2 scooter companies to operate that I feel like I rarely see anyone actually use vs what I saw when Bird/Lime were here.

It's because the two companies currently allowed to operate are pretty shitty compared to Bird and Lime.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#185
post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because in the long term electric vehicles consolidate fossil fuel emissions to a single large point (coal in this case) which can be eventually replaced with a clean energy source (i.e. solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, etc.).

Also coal powerplants run much more efficiently than a car engine.

Is there a statistical report on this? I'm not contesting your claim, I'm just curious to see _how_ much more efficient.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#186
post #27

I live in Baltimore and these things have been awesome. Over the summer and early fall, I used them a lot for trips that were between 3-15 blocks. They were usually less than half the price of a Lyft, were fun to drive, don't directly use fossil fuels and were usually available (in one app or the other) within a block or two of my house. I used them to meet friends for brunch, to pick up my car from getting worked on…

How far is a block on average for us non USA types?

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#187

I have friends in London and commuter towns buying scooters for their own use- despite knowing that they can’t ride them legally. There are none for hire here. When are they arriving?

Given C. London pavements are incredibly narrow, inexorably busy and often uneven, people on these things are a nightmare. Even non electric ones are a nightmare.

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#188
post #28

I cannot stand the Limes and Birds around Santa Monica. I walk out of my apartment, and the streets are littered with them. It's annoying when walking, it's even more annoying when jogging, and riders are constantly riding them (without helmets) on sidewalks even though we have bike lanes. They're even a nuisance when driving. I'm hoping for some legislation that will ban them -- I might set up a grassroots campaign…

"without helmets" - curious why you felt this was worth mentioning?

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#189
post #172

It's strange that even though SF approved 2 scooter companies to operate that I feel like I rarely see anyone actually use vs what I saw when Bird/Lime were here.

SF didn't want to make BART feel bad by providing actual competent transit options, so we got the joke that is Skip/Scoot. Seriously, this city has convinced me democracy doesn't work. Maybe China should regime change us. Edit: stingrae points lack of availability may be the City's fault, rather than Skip/Scoot. No sé -- but for sure the city's intervention took a useful, environmentally friendly transit option and m…

Out of curiosity, what is your issue with skip/scoot? All the services seems to be similar to me?

Re: Lime and Bird are growing rapidly

#190
post #43
post #28

I cannot stand the Limes and Birds around Santa Monica. I walk out of my apartment, and the streets are littered with them. It's annoying when walking, it's even more annoying when jogging, and riders are constantly riding them (without helmets) on sidewalks even though we have bike lanes. They're even a nuisance when driving. I'm hoping for some legislation that will ban them -- I might set up a grassroots campaign…

I was actually in Santa Monica / Venice area for the first time a few weeks ago. I was /floored/ with how many scooters there were. I live in Atlanta and find them to be super awesome and unintrusive, but I could understand how the sheer quantity could put you off of them. At least realize that they aren't so ridiculously overpopulated in other places -- it's probably the tourists that make it financially worth it to…

New things bring a particular reaction in some people. The streets around me are lined densely with parked cars. They take up a lot of space, impair visibility, etc but people look past them. Add a shared bike on the corner of one block and because it is new/novel some think it's a messy outrage.

(I drive and use street parking. There are no scooters here, but I'd love to have them as part of the city's ecosystem in the future.)

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