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How Loneliness Is Tearing America Apart

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Re: How Loneliness Is Tearing America Apart

#181
Just an anecdote

I live in SF and it has plenty to do. But last night despite aching to get out of the house I couldn’t.

I don’t have a ton of friends out here and the ones I have are frequently busy with their own projects/life

The typical offered advice is join meetups to meet new people, but a search of meetups going on last night were only for events where you drink heavily (a weekly beer pong tournament for backpackers, that I’ve been to twice only to find it’s a huge rip off and nobody shows up) or for niche groups I don’t fall into (LGBTQA+, Elderly, meetups for specific racial groups)

Every now and then I’ll go out anyway, just go to a bar and see what happens, and maybe 30% of the time I’ll meet cool people, but those relationships never blossom. I’ll text them after and then later in the week to hang that next weekend, and lo and behold they’re busy

I do clubs/exercise classes during the week, but so far, those haven’t blossomed into outside of club/class relationships. Every now and then I’ll ask if it feels right.

My roommates are cool and my age, but much more of the “finance bro” type. I don’t mind that so every now and then I’ll suggest we grab a beer or watch basketball (they’re really into the Warriors) but they usually pass. I think they can tell I’m not quite like them.

In terms of dating, dating in SF is kind of a crap shoot, What with there being something like 2 guys for every girl out here (thank you tech), but when I do get a match on tinder and go on a date it usually goes well, then we’ll go on a few more then I inevitably end up ghosted, or call it off if it’s not working from the other end

Loneliness exists inspite of our efforts not because of it.

I’ve been in this city for over a year now, and despite all of the effort, my friend group hasn’t grown

Re: How Loneliness Is Tearing America Apart

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post #181

Just an anecdote I live in SF and it has plenty to do. But last night despite aching to get out of the house I couldn’t. I don’t have a ton of friends out here and the ones I have are frequently busy with their own projects/life The typical offered advice is join meetups to meet new people, but a search of meetups going on last night were only for events where you drink heavily (a weekly beer pong tournament for back…

FWIW, it took me a year and a half to establish a friendgroup in SF, and I didn't find it by meetsups or recreation, just by pure happenchance of finding someone who WILL reply to your texts, and welcome you into their friendgroup. I also find friendgroups in SF to be fairly surface level, OR vibrant/intense but short-lived.

That said, roommates are also a great way to expand your friend circle, though not all roommates are looking for that, and sometimes it takes a few different pairings to finally "click," with your roommates.

I think drop-in sports/intramurual leagues are good for this, though I could be wrong. Join a kickball league or something maybe :)

Re: How Loneliness Is Tearing America Apart

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> When people have a hole in their life, they often fill it with angry politics.

Couldn't outrage culture be seen as a good thing? What is the appropriate response, if not outrage, to rampant systemic racism, sexism, and other forms of social injustice? Should we just lie down and accept it?

Re: How Loneliness Is Tearing America Apart

#184

> When people have a hole in their life, they often fill it with angry politics. Couldn't outrage culture be seen as a good thing? What is the appropriate response, if not outrage, to rampant systemic racism, sexism, and other forms of social injustice? Should we just lie down and accept it?

The right thing is probably to apply the categorial imperative. If you don't want white people voting "we will not be replaced" then you might not want to support judges who think that insights about justice are uniquely available "wise old Latinas".

Re: How Loneliness Is Tearing America Apart

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The language might seem harsh to you, but you'd understand it if you'd ever lived with or near such people. I understand it perfectly well, I've lived in densely populated cities my whole life. It's a naked display of something called misanthropy and it's a core tenet of an ethos of self-obsession plus empathy absence that persons in technology AND lifelong US suburbanites far, far too often are afflicted with. Zero…

Yeah, you’ve clearly never had bad neighbors. Be grateful for that, but it doesn’t give you the right to tell others that the real problem is their frustration.

>you’ve clearly never had bad neighbors

No, I’ve had bad neighbors. What I haven’t done is to generalize the experience to seek to avoid neighbors as a class, which is exactly what misanthropy is, as well as exactly what white flight and suburbanism is.

Also, as long as you’re prattling about “rights”, please notice how easily you assumed the right to mischaracterize and invent a convenient and false history for me.

Re: How Loneliness Is Tearing America Apart

#186

> When people have a hole in their life, they often fill it with angry politics. Couldn't outrage culture be seen as a good thing? What is the appropriate response, if not outrage, to rampant systemic racism, sexism, and other forms of social injustice? Should we just lie down and accept it?

"outrage culture" generates outrage for its own sake - not for the sake of motivating productive action, since outrage isn't necessary for that. Twitter is a great example of the futility and impotence of outrage culture on display. The vitriol I see in my feed accomplishes nothing but clickbait, virtue signaling and memetic toxicity, it certainly doesn't help.

Re: How Loneliness Is Tearing America Apart

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post #181

Just an anecdote I live in SF and it has plenty to do. But last night despite aching to get out of the house I couldn’t. I don’t have a ton of friends out here and the ones I have are frequently busy with their own projects/life The typical offered advice is join meetups to meet new people, but a search of meetups going on last night were only for events where you drink heavily (a weekly beer pong tournament for back…

So, drinking can be problematic, but I highly recommend Karaoke, and ... moderate drinking.

You may cringe at the idea, but it’s worked for me in the past and can be a way to enjoy drinks with complete strangers with whom you have nothing else in common and often without planning ahead.

When I had no friend group, I created a small one around Karaoke night - with complete strangers. I imagine the same might work for other things like pool.

Re: How Loneliness Is Tearing America Apart

#188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did he account for a religious population which thinks that suicide is a major sin?

Israel is one of the least religious countries on earth. A much smaller percentage of Israelis are religious than are Americans or the populace of Muslim nations, and Christianity and Islam also generally consider suicide a sin.

Why do they enable their ridiculous orthodox subset?

Re: How Loneliness Is Tearing America Apart

#189

I’ve lived in the US my entire life, and I’ve come to feel like American society is one big competition to be more well-off than everyone else. Does anyone else feel this way? I think this is why I have difficulty making friends.

Humans have always had a preoccupation with their status. In capitalistic you do this largely through the accumulation and display of material wealth. This is pathological. If you look a poor or pre-capitalist societies, the only way people can accumulate status is by being useful, and by being a good guy.
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