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Re: Google Plans Large New York City Expansion

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Post by claydavisss » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 1:45 PM UTC

toephu2 wrote: post #88

claydavisss wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much do you think a firefighter pulls in AFTER retiring? Most public employees with pensions will probably pull in well over a million after they retire and before they die. Tech workers are still young as a group so pension envy is still not a thing....but will be Run the numbers...tech jobs in a tier 1 real estate market isn't that great of a deal. Most likely a nice rental and a slightly underfunded 401k And d…

A young googler in his 20s easily pulls in over a million every 4 years...

they also pay taxes and rent

my point was....how much will they "pull in" for the thirty+ years of their retirement?

public employees also don't have to worry about obsessively sharpening their skills every four years or foreign labor or being made irrelevant by cloud services, and they don't care about recessions for the most part

techie Ragnarok is coming within ten years, HN will turn into a giant therapy board

Re: Google Plans Large New York City Expansion

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Post by hnmcQIOoQUDv » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 1:45 PM UTC

stuxnet79 wrote: post #167

hnmcQIOoQUDv wrote: post #34

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And forget even applying if you've ever had a negative relationship with a coworker who now works for Google…you'll get greylisted and ghosted midway during the interview process.

Ouch, does this really happen?? I feel like Google's hiring process makes it very difficult for someone with a personal animus to train-wreck the whole hiring process.

A manager who fired me from a previous job before he was at Google (well, he now disputes that I was fired, just that my role was eliminated) bragged to a now–fellow Googler that he had blocked me from getting a role at Google NYC twice now, not knowing the Googler's prior friendship with me.

Re: Google Plans Large New York City Expansion

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Post by kyrieeschaton » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 1:46 PM UTC

Meanwhile, the executive team openly laughed at the idea of investing in offices any distance from the coast.

Re: Google Plans Large New York City Expansion

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Post by alexhutcheson » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 1:47 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #128

ramraj07 wrote: post #91

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I'm a tech worker in NYC and none of my firends (except one idiot) pays more than 2500 for their studio apartment within Manhattan. I share a super fancy apartment in a hirise in Brooklyn and pay less than 2K. If you're okay living in Queens you can get a 2BR with less than 1h commute. And this is not even talking about distant Brooklyn, Bronx or jersey (also less tax)

If you count the opportunity cost of the time, stress, and money you spend using NJTransit to commute into Manhattan, and especially if you’re commuting further into other boroughs, the tax savings of NJ turn into losses.

Lots of people live in Jersey City and take the PATH, which is a faster, cheaper, and more reliable commute than NJT. They still avoid NYC city tax and get cheaper and nicer apartments though.

Re: Google Plans Large New York City Expansion

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Post by madengr » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 1:47 PM UTC

taurath wrote: post #4

This coupled with the Amazon news is starting to get distressing. With the amount of companies that copycat them it’s like the rich are getting richer and the economic benefits are still going to be concentrated only in the most affluent cities. The rest of the country desperately needs real industry and good paying jobs - and will go to huge lengths to try to get them but it appears nobody can come up with a busines…

Google and Amazon are not “real industry”. I don’t even consider them to be “tech”, though that is my opinion being a traditional EE hardware designer.

Re: Google Plans Large New York City Expansion

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Post by hnmcQIOoQUDv » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 1:48 PM UTC

hnmcQIOoQUDv wrote: post #182

stuxnet79 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ouch, does this really happen?? I feel like Google's hiring process makes it very difficult for someone with a personal animus to train-wreck the whole hiring process.

A manager who fired me from a previous job before he was at Google (well, he now disputes that I was fired, just that my role was eliminated) bragged to a now–fellow Googler that he had blocked me from getting a role at Google NYC twice now, not knowing the Googler's prior friendship with me.

I don't know what the precise internal process is but have been told by multiple former coworkers, now at Google, that any time I've applied for a role and gotten they've been asked to comment on their experience with me at whatever previous roles we overlapped in.

I eventually asked Google recruiting to put me on a do not contact list after going through the process multiple times.

Re: Google Plans Large New York City Expansion

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Post by jswizzy » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 1:48 PM UTC

ionised wrote: post #110

closeparen wrote: post #102

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Why would a kid stay in the same area after leaving school? That was categorically out of the question for my graduating classes.

Why?

Because people are attached to their family and friends and also most don't realize that any able body person with an IQ of 100 and a decent work ethic could easily make six digits if they relocated to the right area.

Re: Google Plans Large New York City Expansion

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Post by marz0 » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 1:49 PM UTC

TulliusCicero wrote: post #127

taurath wrote: post #4

This coupled with the Amazon news is starting to get distressing. With the amount of companies that copycat them it’s like the rich are getting richer and the economic benefits are still going to be concentrated only in the most affluent cities. The rest of the country desperately needs real industry and good paying jobs - and will go to huge lengths to try to get them but it appears nobody can come up with a busines…

> The rest of the country desperately needs real industry and good paying jobs - and will go to huge lengths to try to get them No they don't. Tax breaks aren't enough. One of the big reasons a lot of people really like NYC is that it's one of the few cities in the US that actually feels like a city. NYC is urbanist in a way that relatively few American cities are (and most of the other cities in this category are al…

Philadelphia

Re: Google Plans Large New York City Expansion

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Post by rizzom5000 » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 1:50 PM UTC

bsbechtel wrote: post #168

TulliusCicero wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The rest of the country desperately needs real industry and good paying jobs - and will go to huge lengths to try to get them No they don't. Tax breaks aren't enough. One of the big reasons a lot of people really like NYC is that it's one of the few cities in the US that actually feels like a city. NYC is urbanist in a way that relatively few American cities are (and most of the other cities in this category are al…

Define economic winner....you mean top line income and area GDP? These places are the most expensive places in the country to live, and quality of living is considerably lower. Incomes may be lower in many areas of the country, but when you consider you can pay $2k/mo on a 5,000 sq ft mortgage instead of renting a 900 sq ft apartment, I don't view these places as economically successful as many perceive them to be.

It appears that you assume more sq. ft. implies higher quality of life. Are you aware of any studies that indicate that's true? I would think that most New Yorkers would consider the traffic mess in a place like Dallas to be an indication of a lower quality of life. I believe there are studies that indicate this is true.

Re: Google Plans Large New York City Expansion

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Post by havetocharge » Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 1:51 PM UTC

taurath wrote: post #4

This coupled with the Amazon news is starting to get distressing. With the amount of companies that copycat them it’s like the rich are getting richer and the economic benefits are still going to be concentrated only in the most affluent cities. The rest of the country desperately needs real industry and good paying jobs - and will go to huge lengths to try to get them but it appears nobody can come up with a busines…

I've relocated to NYC area for work, from a different country. One can get depressed about jobs not being where they are, or go to where the opportunity is better. People have freedom of movement and there is incredible infrastructure supporting that. Why not take advantage instead of complaining?