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Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by HarryHirsch »

iodiniemetra wrote: post #112
_pgmf wrote: post #100

If the code of conduct angers you, stop and think -- how did you feel one minute before you read the CoC? Is the problem really the CoC, or is it your collection of beliefs that is causing the problem? Furthermore, are you even affected? Do you contribute bug reports or patches? Follow the SQLite mailing list? Is anything here designed to prevent you from continuing to do so? SQLite's author is a spiritual guy. There…

#1 on the list is: First of all, love the Lord God with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole strength. I'm an atheist - I am unable and unwilling to comply with this CoC. So yes, I would say that I am affected. Other well known religious folk in the foss world, such as Larry Wall, do not insist on this kind of exclusion.

Anyone familiar with Christian tradition will understand the reference to the Gospel: Jesus says that "love God" and "love your neighbour" (# 2 on the list) are the chief commandments and equally important. That's fine. Even if atheists think nothing of God anyone can think the best of the next man.

But how am I to understand the requirement in the Ada Initiative-derived FreeBSD code of conduct? In all seriousness, it demands that contributors do not selectively quote from private communication to give a false impression! Is there a special spirituality behind it, a context that I'm not aware of, or are they just stating the obvious? And who needs to be told the rudiments of human interaction in this form? Best, let's stay away from this morass. If the FreeBSD crowd needs to be told that to function, that's a bad sign.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by raspie »

runjake wrote: post #122
iodiniemetra wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#1 on the list is: First of all, love the Lord God with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole strength. I'm an atheist - I am unable and unwilling to comply with this CoC. So yes, I would say that I am affected. Other well known religious folk in the foss world, such as Larry Wall, do not insist on this kind of exclusion.

Good news, the CoC is inclusive for you, with the following: "those who wish to participate" ... "are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that honors the overarching spirit of the rule, even if they disagree with specific details. Polite and professional discussion is always welcomed, from anyone ." In other words, calm down.

That's as much inclusiveness as "stop hitting yourself" is your friend's good advice.

If the CoC started with "First of all, purge any God from your heart" you wouldn't have thought twice about condemning it.

But no, the atheists should just suck it up.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by oaktowner »

runjake wrote: post #122
iodiniemetra wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#1 on the list is: First of all, love the Lord God with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole strength. I'm an atheist - I am unable and unwilling to comply with this CoC. So yes, I would say that I am affected. Other well known religious folk in the foss world, such as Larry Wall, do not insist on this kind of exclusion.

Good news, the CoC is inclusive for you, with the following: "those who wish to participate" ... "are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that honors the overarching spirit of the rule, even if they disagree with specific details. Polite and professional discussion is always welcomed, from anyone ." In other words, calm down.

It's weird, though, right? I mean, flip the logic.

What if someone had a code of conduct that was clearly about people treating each other well...but started it with "First, you must acknowledge that there is no God." Or "First you must acknowledge that Mohammad is God's messenger." Or "First you must accept the mitzvot as binding." Or "Brahman is Truth and Reality."

None of these is promoting inclusion.

That said: I'm an observer here. I haven't chosen to participate or not participate in the SQLite community because of this. I simply think it's a strange place to promote one's religion, and it doesn't surprise me that non-Christians might find it unwelcoming.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by mikl »

drb91 wrote: post #168
mikl wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By "San Francisco Democrat"? I mean the values held by the average Democrat-voting San Franciscan.

...capitalism?

So what is the game here? Put a random noun between "…" and "?"?

Let me try:

…airhockey?

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by tgroshon »

People being far too literal here about the "Love the Lord God". Your God is whatever you worship, and yes even the Atheist worships something. The commandment is two parts: (a) Jehovah (The Lord) should be your God and (b) your God should be the priority in your life. If you're Atheist or another faith then replace A by identifying "your God" and make it your priority. Live with purpose!

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by stephenr »

tgroshon wrote: post #184
stephenr wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Love !== respect.

Yes it does; you have a fundamental misunderstanding of one, the other, or both

Pretty much any dictionary on the planet will disagree with you.

But then, so does basic logic. But I mean, we're debating an open source project that has adopted a Code of Conduct, with point one demanding that contributors believe in a superstitious all powerful being.

We're way past fucking logic here aren't we.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by stupidbird »

mikl wrote: post #154
stupidbird wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course value-based CoCs are fine. The problem with this isn't the content, it's the fact that they're using the content because they fundamentally disagree with codes of conduct.

So you would be fine if projects started adoping CoCs like these, if they did so seriously?

Their house, their rules. I can choose to not participate.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by manicdee »

vor_ wrote: post #147
runjake wrote: post #116

Right in the first section, people: "However, those who wish to participate in the SQLite community, either by commenting on the public mailing lists or by contributing patches or suggestions or in any other way, are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that honors the overarching spirit of the rule, even if they disagree with specific details . Polite and professional discussion is always welcomed, from anyone…

If the religious details won't be enforced, there's no reason for them to be in the CoC. This CoC exists in its current form solely because Richard Hipp is very religious.

Did you read the SQLite CoC? All of it?

Hint: there is a clause pointing out that complete adherence is impossible and that the aim is to conduct oneself as much as possible by The Rule.

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