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Re: I know why rejection emails suck – I write them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He named a specific person before the edit, which is a bit different. Nothing wrong with naming/shaming digg.com, though.

Naming a specific person is not nice, but still not "doxxing."

That's exactly what doxxing is.(Paraphrasing here) "This guy was really shitty in my job interview. Here's their LinkedIn page."

Seemed pretty cut and dry to me. What about it disqualified it as a not-doxxing situation?

Re: I know why rejection emails suck – I write them

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I believe that the article is fundamentally wrong. The bulk of the article is true. But companies are not lying when they say that legal risk is a reason not to send feedback. Triplebyte is in the unusual position of being able to say, "Everyone who has enough technical skill gets through the interview." And that fact is sufficient to defuse their risk. But real companies don't have the luxury of ignoring non-technic…

"Can't understand their accent" _is_ discriminatory. Please don't ever recommend against a candidate for that.

Companies are definitely taking the easy way out. The reality is that most of them don't have a good hiring process, aren't consistent about hiring decisions, and tend to choose based on factors that have nothing to do with the job they're hiring for.

Re: I know why rejection emails suck – I write them

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post #141

I believe that the article is fundamentally wrong. The bulk of the article is true. But companies are not lying when they say that legal risk is a reason not to send feedback. Triplebyte is in the unusual position of being able to say, "Everyone who has enough technical skill gets through the interview." And that fact is sufficient to defuse their risk. But real companies don't have the luxury of ignoring non-technic…

I think your point that the actual companies have to judge culture fit is critical. TripleByte's interview is about as purely technical as you can get. Their promise to client companies is that the candidates who pass are technically sound to a baseline level. That leaves the companies to judge cultural fit, which is where all of that legal liability seeps in.

I've done the TripleByte interview before. Even got an offer through them (though I didn't take it). Their interview is almost entirely about fundamental skills plus a bit about your ability to communicate. There's very little in that interview where you could come up with lawsuit material.

All of that said, I think their technical interview is a pretty good one. Their interview feedback was accurate, and it definitely felt both more rigorous and more fair than the vast majority of the first rounds I've done.

Re: I know why rejection emails suck – I write them

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post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the point of legal risk, I’m concerned by the authors naïveté in believing that as long as you’re not actually discriminating based on race/sex/religion, you won’t be accused of it. The more data you put out there, the more likely that someone will crunch it and find some statistical patterns that they will label “racism” or "sexism". Even if you’re innocent, you will get dragged through the mud in the press and m…

The upside is that you've treated a human being with decency. People you treat decently in rejection help you with later hires. If you're going to argue the fantastical downside, you should at least acknowledge the possible upside (which my company, and apparently TripleByt, have both experienced).

That’s why I said it’s unfortunate. I intended to capture the logic of why things are what they are.

And as much as it’s great to help someone out with some feedback, it’s not so great to risk the livelihood of your employees—you know, the people who actually depend on you to provide for their families—and the survival of your company for it. Sometimes doing the right thing requires you to have some perspective and be cold. This is one of those situations.

Re: I know why rejection emails suck – I write them

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post #141

I believe that the article is fundamentally wrong. The bulk of the article is true. But companies are not lying when they say that legal risk is a reason not to send feedback. Triplebyte is in the unusual position of being able to say, "Everyone who has enough technical skill gets through the interview." And that fact is sufficient to defuse their risk. But real companies don't have the luxury of ignoring non-technic…

Most engineering interviewees fail to advance because of cultural/personality/communication issues and not technical competence. The amount of people I've washed out of the interview process because they've gone on some rant about windows vs linux, political ideology or just came off as unable to communicate in general. This is also the hardest to communicate as it is something inherent to the candidate. It's not per…

> Most engineering interviewees fail to advance because of cultural/personality/communication issues and not technical competence.

Not my experience. At least when hiring for programming positions, the typical fatal issue is that the candidate's coding is weak.

In my first role as a hiring manager, I didn't stress coding tests for candidates with long work history on their resume. Since then, I learned better.

I've seen candidates with anything between 1 and 15 years of full time coding work on their resumes fail to answer basic fizz-buzz level coding questions.

At least for the candidates I've seen, the biggest single reason why they get rejected is failure to perform the one main function their job requires: coding.

Re: I know why rejection emails suck – I write them

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I WISH I could get rejection emails. I'll talk to a recruiter at a company, exchange emails, even meet them .... 99.9% of the time if they're not offering I get NOTHING. They just don't respond.

I don't care that they're not hiring me, I'd just like some feedback. FEEDBACK PLEASE, anything that really matters that I can improve on or such.

It is to the point that even automated rejection letters seem nicer than the usual "ghosting".

Re: I know why rejection emails suck – I write them

#187
I will often tell candidates on the phone screen that I don't want to go forward for XYZ reasons (always technical). At one point one of the guys I gave feedback to like this turned the call into an occupational therapy session whining about the chicken/egg experience problem, how all these companies want him to know the "trivia" of CS fundamentals, etc.

Believe me, it's a lot easier to just send a form rejection.

Re: I know why rejection emails suck – I write them

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post #182
post #141

I believe that the article is fundamentally wrong. The bulk of the article is true. But companies are not lying when they say that legal risk is a reason not to send feedback. Triplebyte is in the unusual position of being able to say, "Everyone who has enough technical skill gets through the interview." And that fact is sufficient to defuse their risk. But real companies don't have the luxury of ignoring non-technic…

"Can't understand their accent" _is_ discriminatory. Please don't ever recommend against a candidate for that. Companies are definitely taking the easy way out. The reality is that most of them don't have a good hiring process, aren't consistent about hiring decisions, and tend to choose based on factors that have nothing to do with the job they're hiring for.

Good communication is a requirement of the job. If you can't communicate, you aren't likely to be efficient.

Take some time to take classes and learn the language better. Try working in a Spanish-only environment as a pure English speaker and see how far you get.

This doesn't mean "he has an accent", just that they couldn't understand it.

Re: I know why rejection emails suck – I write them

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post #141

I believe that the article is fundamentally wrong. The bulk of the article is true. But companies are not lying when they say that legal risk is a reason not to send feedback. Triplebyte is in the unusual position of being able to say, "Everyone who has enough technical skill gets through the interview." And that fact is sufficient to defuse their risk. But real companies don't have the luxury of ignoring non-technic…

Most engineering interviewees fail to advance because of cultural/personality/communication issues and not technical competence. The amount of people I've washed out of the interview process because they've gone on some rant about windows vs linux, political ideology or just came off as unable to communicate in general. This is also the hardest to communicate as it is something inherent to the candidate. It's not per…

I don't see how it is inherit to the candidate, probably most people have political believes, OS preferences etc but you should be smart enough to not blurt them out during an interview.

Re: I know why rejection emails suck – I write them

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post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Can't understand their accent" _is_ discriminatory. Please don't ever recommend against a candidate for that. Companies are definitely taking the easy way out. The reality is that most of them don't have a good hiring process, aren't consistent about hiring decisions, and tend to choose based on factors that have nothing to do with the job they're hiring for.

Good communication is a requirement of the job. If you can't communicate, you aren't likely to be efficient. Take some time to take classes and learn the language better. Try working in a Spanish-only environment as a pure English speaker and see how far you get. This doesn't mean "he has an accent", just that they couldn't understand it.

We don't have to litigate this from first principles; this is such a common problem that there is a name for it in EEOC circles: "accent discrimination". You can be civilly liable if you do it.
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