Public transit fangirl here... Salt Lake City's transit system is awesome. Clean, runs timely, and runs in sensible paths through population areas. The bus system off the train service is a bit less useful, but I've found with Lyft / Uber augments, I can get just about anywhere I want to without a car.
Utah expands public transportation with rapid bus transit, free until 2021
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Mormons are the kindest There is nothing kind about their treatment of the LGBT population in general, and LGBT youth in particular. And if they were really that good at taking care of each other, I don't think that Utah would rank 5th in the nation for adolescent suicides (children 15 - 19 years) with a per capita suicide rate more than double the national average.* They really do like to put on a good face, but t…
I won’t disagree that Mormons still have a ways to go regarding relations with the LGBT community, but if you have follow the Mormon church at all you’ve seen lots of progress in the last 10 years which continues to be made. As for the suicide rate, you are making very careless and dangerous assumptions. Yes, it’s higher than most other areas. The reason for why is still very much unknown, and could be attributed in…
The religion of suicide victims and their parents aren't tracked officially, but over 50% of the population of Utah identify as Mormon.
I am perfectly willing to accept that more rural areas tend to have higher suicide rates, and that is not necessarily going to be correlated with religion, but at the same time, 1/3 of the population lives in the SLC metro area, which should be a moderating influence on the state's suicide rate if this is the primary cause.
The only other statistic I know of regarding Utah that is an outlier over the US in general is the percentage of individuals who identify as Mormon. As such, a hypothesis that the higher adolescent suicide rate has something to do with religion is perfectly valid, although still only a hypothesis.
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
And while the rate of child and teen suicide has risen by 23.5 percent nationally during the years covered by the study, it "more than doubled" (a 136 percent rise) in Utah, according to researchers from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://health.usnews.com/health-care/articles/2018-03-22/cd...
So some possible hypotheses (in what I would consider most to least plausible): 1) Whatever causes the higher overall rates in Utah (altitude and/or other variables) that interacts in a non-linear way with whatever is causing the national increase. 2) Whatever factor that is driving the national increase is more influential in Utah for whatever reason. (e.g. maybe social networks are more harmful to more-judgmental M…
Your assumption is that these factors could not be intertwined.
I would submit the following hypothesis:
As the nation moves in a direction where religion plays a smaller and smaller role culturally and legally, many follows of religion double down and attempt to prevent their children from moving in that direction. In places with a lower percentages of people who consider themselves religious - or at least very religious, this crackdown happens less, but when it does adolescents have other friends or family they can turn to for support. More insular communities - such as Mormons - do not offer the external support structure to young people, leaving them fewer options they see as viable.
So while this is not necessarily a problem only in the Mormon community, it certainly is exacerbating the problem.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
A good functioning bus lane will feel very wasteful only if it's working as intended and the buses are free-flowing. The entire point is that the buses flow quickly past traffic; you could open up the lane to HOV or cars, but then traffic times would just degrade. https://la.streetsblog.org/2014/07/08/balancing-cars-cash-an... > In May 2014, Streetsblog L.A. began to receive tips that Silver Line BRT service along th…
The tolls should be raised until a lower amount of cars are around
Of course, you can't really beat the congestion offered by zero cars in your bus lane.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
> there's only one way to be a Christian and LDS aren't Christians. What? Do you mean Catholics? There are non-Catholic Christian churches, but they are still Christians.
I'm referring to their doctrine of salvation.
That's an awfully broad claim considering that there are hundreds or thousands of branches of Christianity and many of them differ on what they believe to be necessary for salvation.
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Not if you're one of the many people that don't pay taxes! (retirees, children, the poor, etc..)
... people pay taxes their whole lives in order to have good income and retire securely. I bet you're a real gem
Please don't make a bad thread even worse by going into personal attack.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not aware of shunning people being common in US Christian groups for leaving. I stopped going to a church long ago and still keep in touch with friends who still attend.
The shunning thing is more Islam and Judaism nowadays. In the olden days of the Spanish Inquisition apostasy and heresy were rather roubustly dealt with.
The Catholic Inquisition still exists but it has been renamed to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith[0].
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_the_Doctrine_...
Re: Utah expands public transportation with rapid bus transit, free until 2021
#188Just thought to leave an aside for anyone considering working in Utah. I Lived in Orem, Utah for a long-time super interesting state. Everyone is super conservative, no doubt, but they are the nicest people I've ever met. They can be "accidentally" racist and bigoted but I attribute that for their ignorance as opposed to hate. The church itself governs and operates like a socialist country. Every church member in the…
This is pretty spot on, moved from the Northeast to Utah for school, now done with school and I'm enjoying my time here because I'm in love with the mountains but I'm planning how to move out of the state because I know that I will never feel culturally secure here. Being part of the outdoor community I never find myself struggling to find like minded people, but I do feel like an outsider to society as a whole.
Heard good things about Seattle or Boise and Colorado for outdoor culture.