New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7 • Hacker News Board

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by forapurpose » Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 3:15 PM UTC

sievebrain wrote: post #180

forapurpose wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again I'm reading lots of claims and as everyone knows, claims on the Internet aren't really the most reliable things. Can anyone cite any evidence?

Probably because you're asking people to Google stuff for you? It's all public. There are two women. One posted on Twitter the next day boasting about the awesome night she'd had with Assange. She later deleted the post but others had recorded it already. The other woman sent lots of text messages saying she wasn't raped and only reported Assange because she wanted him to take an std test, that the police had blown i…

> Probably because you're asking people to Google stuff for you? It's all public.

The burden of proof is on the commenter posting the claims.

The article linked in the parent merely is a description of Assange's own statement, his side of the story, which certainly has no more credibility than the alleged victim and the legal authority. For example, regarding Assange's claims about text messages, the article makes a point of saying, "The ABC has not seen the text messages."

> the women both created documentary evidence they were lying and one even attempted to destroy it.

Again, any credible evidence? Surely this story would be in the NY Times and other major publications.

> False reports of rape are extremely common. Most credible studies I've seen peg it at 50% or higher.

I don't agree and I've never heard of such a study. We also are not talking about 'reports' by alleged victims, but an indictment by legal authorities after they examined the evidence. Again, perhaps the parent can provide some the evidence they say they've seen supporting this extraordinary claim about rape accusations, because false claims on the Internet are certainly even more common.

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by jonhendry18 » Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 11:30 PM UTC

anonymous5133 wrote: post #113

jonhendry18 wrote: post #17

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What criminality? Unless the CIA was using the tools against targets in the US, there's no US law broken. Every country does it.

Yup which is one reason why trump is pushing so hard on tariffs. The chinese have an army of hackers committing war fare against the usa and its trade secrets. Governments should not be hacking each other. They should be engaging in diplomacy like any civilized country.

I dunno, I think Trump is pushing so hard on tariffs because he doesn't understand what trade imbalances mean.

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by mmjaa » Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 10:09 AM UTC

krapp wrote: post #126

zaroth wrote: post #123

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Ever heard of the Pentagon Papers?

Yes. But the press didn't simply publish them in their entirety without comment or context, did they? I understand people want to lionize Wikileaks and consider Julian Assange to be the modern day equivalent to Woodward and Bernstein, but to consider what they do journalism is to discredit journalism. There's a reason Edward Snowden went to the actual press and not Wikileaks.

>Yes. But the press didn't simply publish them in their entirety without comment or context, did they?

Even better - Senator Gravel, doing his job, brought them into Congress .. something that was necessary, because the press was compromised and wasn't doing their job.

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by mmjaa » Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 10:14 AM UTC

anonymous5133 wrote: post #110

hsienmaneja wrote: post #82

Didn’t Snowden encourage people to leak? At least on the surface it seems like he may have been role model for this particular actor.

The american people have a right to know what its government is doing.

Not any more they don't.

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by acct1771 » Tue, Jun 26, 2018, 7:03 AM UTC

Cacti wrote: post #66

gowld wrote: post #49

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That's not how justice works. The indictment is the prosecutor's claims, not established facts that have survived subject to cross-examinations. The listed evidence could be fake, could be real but linked to the accused, or could be real and linked.

I didn’t say it was. What I am saying is that, assuming the evidence is as described (and I see no evidence to suggest otherwise short of theoretical exercises in “well it could always be faked”), the description of the VM is awfully convincing. It strains credulity to think that the government planted an encrypted VM with an encrypted file with a password known only to the defendant, faked the entire usage logs, and…

> risk such an incredible violation of the law if they were caught

No consequences. No one pays attention. No fear.

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by superflyguy » Tue, Jun 26, 2018, 8:57 AM UTC

forapurpose wrote: post #181

sievebrain wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because you're asking people to Google stuff for you? It's all public. There are two women. One posted on Twitter the next day boasting about the awesome night she'd had with Assange. She later deleted the post but others had recorded it already. The other woman sent lots of text messages saying she wasn't raped and only reported Assange because she wanted him to take an std test, that the police had blown i…

> Probably because you're asking people to Google stuff for you? It's all public. The burden of proof is on the commenter posting the claims. The article linked in the parent merely is a description of Assange's own statement, his side of the story, which certainly has no more credibility than the alleged victim and the legal authority. For example, regarding Assange's claims about text messages, the article makes a…

"The burden of proof is on the commenter posting the claims."

The burden of the person who wants to learn rather than argue is to do research for themselves. I don't care whether you believe me or not - I mean, why would I?

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by bearofgod » Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 3:43 PM UTC

Instead of saying searched, perhaps we should say "planted." These are the same people who told us Trump was conspiring with the Russians, who used a doctored dossier to get a FISA. Until we know a lot more it should take it with a grain of salt, but if he is a pedophile I hope he rots in hell.