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Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by mathattack » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 3:46 PM UTC

bitL wrote: post #167

ckastner wrote: post #22

Relationships among employees are very hard to keep concealed -- especially so when you're in a very exposed position, as a CEO is. At some point, somebody is going to notice something. If this is the case, then I'm pretty sure that this knowledge had reached the board long before. Rumors spread fast, after all. That leaves me to wonder as to the timing of this action. Krzanich received a lot of flak over the past mo…

Of course they were sitting on it. However, I don't understand why didn't they go the usual nice route - Brian, how can we quickly get rid of you when we need to? Is $10M enough to cover any inconveniences? Enjoy your retirement and see you at the golf course! Game of Thrones Season 80x86?

Probably more than 10mm if they don’t claw back equity and golden parachutes.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by knuththetruth » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 3:47 PM UTC

jhayward wrote: post #115

dokein wrote: post #19

So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, and between different management levels is a common subset of this. However it feels like many people are spending more and more time at work, and it also seems cruel to say: "you cannot get to know anyone romantically during 50-75% of your waking day."

Among married people something like 50% of couples met their spouse at work. It's going to happen, it's best to have an open and above-board way of co-existing with fraternization rather than simply banning it, which is idiotic.

>Among married people something like 50% of couples met their spouse at work.

What is your source for this figure? I just googled around and every survey appeared to put in the 15-20% range.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by nulagrithom » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 3:47 PM UTC

drb91 wrote: post #169

krotton wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given knowledge that the CEO is a male, assuming the relationship is with a female is simply based on statistics.

Why assume at all?

Because writing in English requires either gender specific singular pronouns or the awkward sounding use of a gender neutral _plural_ pronoun referring to a singular person.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by mathattack » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 3:48 PM UTC

sbinthree wrote: post #5

There is no way you would fire a CEO you actually wanted in place because they had a consensual relationship with a subordinate in the past . Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work. Why is it that corporate morals rule?

Let’s say he promotes the subordinate over a few other candidates who all thought they were worthy? You’ve just killed the corporate culture and reputation for meritocracy.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by thrillgore » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 3:48 PM UTC

sbinthree wrote: post #5

There is no way you would fire a CEO you actually wanted in place because they had a consensual relationship with a subordinate in the past . Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work. Why is it that corporate morals rule?

Conflict of interest.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by rsp1984 » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 3:48 PM UTC

stinos wrote: post #131

marcus_holmes wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A relationship between a manager and someone they manage compromises the effectiveness of both the manager and the team. As CEO, he is everyone's boss, so having a consensual relationship with anyone involved in the organisation is a bad thing. If she got promoted, would it be because of her work, or her relationship with the boss? If she didn't get promoted, would it be because of her attitude, or her relationship w…

so having a consensual relationship with anyone involved in the organisation is a bad thing ... If she got promoted, would it be because of her work, or her relationship with the boss? I'm not sure if I buy this completely. You see, a manager is human after all which means he/she is going to like some people more than others. There is always some kind of relationship with all the others, no way around it. Now obvious…

This exactly.

Or looked at it the other way: If two people have feelings for each other but suppress resulting actions due to company policy, how would that not influence decision making?

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by pfortuny » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 3:49 PM UTC

dokein wrote: post #19

So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, and between different management levels is a common subset of this. However it feels like many people are spending more and more time at work, and it also seems cruel to say: "you cannot get to know anyone romantically during 50-75% of your waking day."

Something you can choose and is not necessary to live (like being the CEO of Intel) cannot br deemed “cruel” in my sight.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by coryfklein » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 3:50 PM UTC

drb91 wrote: post #169

krotton wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given knowledge that the CEO is a male, assuming the relationship is with a female is simply based on statistics.

Why assume at all?

Same reason you can reasonably refer to a male-looking acquaintance as "he" without enforcing a policy of using "they" until you have the opportunity to ask what gender they identify with.

Yes, you will get it wrong ~0.1% of the time, but the cost of slight embarrassment one one/both sides is far less than the cost of using non-standard and confusing communication the remaining 99.9% of the time.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by darkarmani » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 3:50 PM UTC

drb91 wrote: post #169

krotton wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given knowledge that the CEO is a male, assuming the relationship is with a female is simply based on statistics.

Why assume at all?

I always think zebras, so i can keep getting surprised by horses.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by thrillgore » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 3:52 PM UTC

daeken wrote: post #147

paulddraper wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? Or consider Mozilla's week-long CEO who years earlier donated $1000 to a popular ballot initiative supported by most California voters. Be careful how you vote, citizen. Your livelihood depends on it.

I really liked that you skipped over what that ballot initiative was. He donated in support of Prop 8, an attempt to ban same-sex marriage in California. As a former Mozilla employee, I'm pretty glad that he was ousted for his homophobia. Good riddance.

He also invented JavaScript. Good riddance indeed.