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Your assumptions are probably wrong. Most likely Telegram does know why they're being blocked, they just aren't saying because they want people to assume malfeasance on Apple's part and they're hoping bad PR will convince Apple to approve whatever it is that they're currently rejecting.
Then Apple could tell the real reason.
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Your assumptions are probably wrong. Most likely Telegram does know why they're being blocked, they just aren't saying because they want people to assume malfeasance on Apple's part and they're hoping bad PR will convince Apple to approve whatever it is that they're currently rejecting.
You might be right... I think it's fair to say we're both guessing. To me it just doesn't seem logical to resort to such a "nuclear option" over a review disagreement, instead of just complying, negotiating, or at least working around the problem in a creative technical way. It's not like Telegram is changing in some fundamental way since the last review... What could Apple be telling Telegram that is such a massive…
> What could Apple be telling Telegram that is such a massive showstopper?
Good question. I don't know. There are a lot of possibilities here and it's impossible for us to know what without Telegram telling us the actual rejection reason.
This is presently an accusation by Telegram, nothing more. Sample of reasons why Apple may be doing whatever they are doing: 1) Telegram is prevalently used by Syrian fighters [1]. (Why they chose Telegram over Signal beats me.) As the Syrian conflict winds down, these fighters are returning home. That creates a security imperative for many governments, including in the EU. 2) Telegram recently ran an ICO that, at th…
> Telegram is prevalently used by Syrian fighters So Apple is afraid that they will start killing people in Europe using newer Telegram versions? Russian propaganda says similar things, that Telegram is used by terrorists and drug dealers and that is why government needs to be able to read your messages. > Telegram recently ran an ICO that, at the very least, probably runs afoul of American securities law. Telegram i…
(I'm agreeing with you, just stating the point more obviously).
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> mass murder of gay people (Russia) any source on that? I have never heard about any murdering of gay people in russia. Clearly, Russia is rather hostile to gay people. But "mass murder" requires a proper source. Or you you are walking on the Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction path.
Well, here are a few sources (I think the first one might be where I originally read about it, and realized the situation there was worse than I knew): https://www.newyorker.com/culture/2017-in-review/the-year-ru... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/27/russia-chechny... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_concentration_camps_in_Che... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/01/russia-rise-ho...
And calling Chechnya Russia is similar to calling Peurto Rico the United States. It's a subject of Russia, but is not what you'd call Russia. It's a 95% Islamic nation that waged a lengthy war of terror attacks against Russia and has its own independent government, rules, and laws which are driven primarily by Islamic law. You'll find nations driven by Islamic law tend to make Russia look like LGBT heaven.
Of course Russia is no such thing. It's illegal in Russian to distribute 'propaganda' for homosexual or bisexual advocacy in the presence of minors. And that in turn is used as a justification to prevent nearly all public homosexual or bisexual activism, though people are free to do whatever they want in private. In any case stating Russia is engaging in "mass murder of gay people" is something way beyond sensationalism and a reflection of how our media's efforts at creating a Red Scare has, arguably intentionally, driven people completely to the point of overt ignorance. It's like wartime propaganda, without a war.
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Put a phone permitting side loading in front of my mom or half my friends and they’ll find a way to get a virus within a month. Broadly speaking, freedom a consumer doesn’t understand isn’t freedom to them. Apple’s products are reliable in part due to their tight control over the ecosystem.
You can add a scary warning which could be enough for many users. And charge additional fee for fixing system broken because of this.
Hah. Does the tech crowd never learn?
What we expect the "many users" to see:
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| This is dangerous |
| you'll be on your |
| own, so take care |
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| [cancel] [ok] |
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| This is a mildly |
| annoying message |
| only made to |
| delay access to |
| instant happinness|
| and BTW blah blah |
| blah blah blah |
| blah blah blah |
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| [meh] [buzz off and giev me teh warez]
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"Hey I hear from that you work with, uh, computers and stuff, and, I think my phone is somehow, uh, broken, and I know zilch about computers, so could you help me with it pleeeease?"
I've been astounded with spectacular consistency over the years at how much people can achieve (however unsafely) to get stuff for free even if they openly claim to be tech illiterate. That includes jailbreaking and installing "alternative" app stores. Basically some kind of goal-oriented BOFH's dummy mode on steroids.
Apple has now entered dangerous territory. Over the last month they seem to have banned apps because some government out there didn't like that app. To make matters worse, those very same governments weren't happy with the app being removed from their regional app store but they demanded it removed from all app stores. The VPN issue was a wake up call for a lot of developers. These apps were on the app store for year…
Whilen I entirely agree with your point, I don't think that a comparison between the Apple and Twitter is suitable. One is a company that publishes an operating system, which is locked down and requires software installation through their Monopoly App Store ( which I find highly distasteful), the other one is a web-based social media thing. iOS as a product is in no way similar to twitter.
Apple has now entered dangerous territory. Over the last month they seem to have banned apps because some government out there didn't like that app. To make matters worse, those very same governments weren't happy with the app being removed from their regional app store but they demanded it removed from all app stores. The VPN issue was a wake up call for a lot of developers. These apps were on the app store for year…
That’s the key problem here, if what Telegram says is true and they’re blocking Telegram worldwide, it’s really different.
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If users could install Telegram from third-party sources, without rooting their phones, this issue wouldn't be so serious. Or if users could install from trusted friends, even. That is, if iOS apps could be shared. There's a similar issue for Android apps. But it's my understanding that it's easier, and doesn't require rooting. But of course, this would break Apple's "we are the only app source, because you can only…
If Telegram released the source code, people could compile and install it on their own iOS devices.
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Well, here are a few sources (I think the first one might be where I originally read about it, and realized the situation there was worse than I knew): https://www.newyorker.com/culture/2017-in-review/the-year-ru... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/27/russia-chechny... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_concentration_camps_in_Che... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/01/russia-rise-ho...
None of those in any way support your comment, whatsoever. And calling Chechnya Russia is similar to calling Peurto Rico the United States. It's a subject of Russia, but is not what you'd call Russia. It's a 95% Islamic nation that waged a lengthy war of terror attacks against Russia and has its own independent government, rules, and laws which are driven primarily by Islamic law. You'll find nations driven by Islami…
My understanding is that Chechnya is part of Russia in a similar way, but I'm not an expert there, so maybe I'm wrong. If so, then I should have said "murder of gays in the Russian Federation" or "in Chechnya".
But, I mean, I could have instead said "state-sponsored assassinations of journalists and political opponents in Russia".
The specific atrocities involved are kind of incidental to my point that if you decide to operate a DRM-enforced single-source app store platform, you are going to have to get into bed with authoritarian governments if you want to sell your platform in the countries they control.
(That said, I will google the relationship between the Russian Federation, Russia, and Chechnya a bit more, so that I can state things more precisely in the future.)
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If users could install Telegram from third-party sources, without rooting their phones, this issue wouldn't be so serious. Or if users could install from trusted friends, even. That is, if iOS apps could be shared. There's a similar issue for Android apps. But it's my understanding that it's easier, and doesn't require rooting. But of course, this would break Apple's "we are the only app source, because you can only…
If Telegram released the source code, people could compile and install it on their own iOS devices.