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The Entire Economy Is MoviePass Now

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Re: The Entire Economy Is MoviePass Now

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Cryptocurrency seems like another.

It allows miners in poorer parts of the world to resell their electricity at massive profit to more wealthy parts of the world.

Yes. It also allows for some to get rich.

Pump and dumps are also wealth redistribution.

Re: The Entire Economy Is MoviePass Now

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It is even more basic than that. Amazon, Uber, Netflix, and almost any other successful and established business creates value. MoviePass is not creating value and is simply trying to purchase its way into being a middleman between theaters and theater goers. If their pricing structure ends up showing the slightest chance of generating more revenue for the theater industry as a whole, there is nothing stopping the th…

As a Moviepass subscriber, they create a lot of value for me. I can go to any movie I want at any local theater. That is a lot better than subscribing to five different plans, one for each theater.

Well you can just subscribe to the theater closest to you. Why would you want to go to the ones across town?

Re: The Entire Economy Is MoviePass Now

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> But it also reflects the willingness of shareholders and deep-pocketed private investors to keep fast-growing upstarts afloat long enough to conquer a potential “winner-take-all” market. That's the gamble. Destroy competition, get lock in, become a monopolist and the free market is your money printing machine. If regulators had teeth to break up such monopolies, we wouldn't be seeing these gambles, and maybe more h…

This strategy only works if you can effecticely build new habits that are sticky enough to persist when the friction increases. Even better is if the new behavior has interesting interactions with other things.

The reason enterprise tools tend to be “worse” is because the stickiness is arbitrarily enforced instead of being rooted in reality. Uber/lyft are non-sticky because theyre basically the same.

Re: The Entire Economy Is MoviePass Now

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Not really could just have tiered prices 6.99 for weekdays before 5:30, 9.99 after - and say 12.99 at the weekends/holidays. For example my local VUE in the UK I can get a ticket on Mondays for less than $6 full price is $16 I suspect that its the paying up front for a year when a substantial majority of its customers wont goto the cinema

Moviepass is an all you can eat subscription. The UK has those - Cineworld and Odeon both do them. But the point is that they're significantly more expensive than Moviepass is, and the price of quite a few individual tickets (they're usually £35/40pm, which is $50-60 US). And they're run by the chains themselves so they have less infrastructure cost to check for fraud. That's what I meant by integer multiples. If Mov…

Cineworld is £18/month, not 35/40.

Re: The Entire Economy Is MoviePass Now

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post #155

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No, I think the key difference with Amazon is that they aren't losing money on each individual transaction - ie selling everything at a loss. Amazon's non-profits were due to aggressive reinvestment, not pricing.

This is so suspicious though. Apple somehow managed to become a bigger company by revenue and profit while being profitable most of the way up. There is a lot of trust here that Amazon is secretly really profitable not just growing because their profit margins are unsustainably low. It wouldn't be the first time a large company engaged in questionable accounting if it turns out their unit numbers are actually not as…

Apple and Amazon operate completely different businesses, your comparison doesn't make sense. Walmart has more than double the revenue of Apple (or Amazon) and yet has less than a 2% profit margin [1]. Is that suspicious? If anyone is an outlier I'd say it's Apple selling luxury priced goods (along with their fat margins) at consumer like scale.

[1] https://ycharts.com/companies/WMT/profit_margin

Re: The Entire Economy Is MoviePass Now

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post #105

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It is even more basic than that. Amazon, Uber, Netflix, and almost any other successful and established business creates value. MoviePass is not creating value and is simply trying to purchase its way into being a middleman between theaters and theater goers. If their pricing structure ends up showing the slightest chance of generating more revenue for the theater industry as a whole, there is nothing stopping the th…

As a Moviepass subscriber, they create a lot of value for me. I can go to any movie I want at any local theater. That is a lot better than subscribing to five different plans, one for each theater.

I'd counter that MoviePass is not creating any value for you, they're literally just paying for you. That's not anything special.

Re: The Entire Economy Is MoviePass Now

#187
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> The king of money-losers, of course, is Amazon, which went years without turning a profit. Instead, it plowed billions of dollars back into its business The key difference with Amazon is that Amazon could choose to be profitable at any time- just raise prices ever so slightly, reducing growth in customer demand, and the stop building out its enormous logistics empire and new businesses. Amazon could have had profit…

Raising prices would solve lots of problems for Amazon. They’d lose some market share, reducing the monopoly accusations. Most likely companies are going to face increasing pressure to do something about inequality levels, so maybe a $5 / hour (hopefully more) pay raise for their 28k a year warehouse workers could also be in the store.

I'm not a lawyer, but I think if you are accused of being a monopoly, suddenly increasing your prices is a bad legal strategy because it proves you have pricing power, which is the classic sign of a Sherman-style monopoly that regulators like to break up.

Re: The Entire Economy Is MoviePass Now

#188
Not every one of the half dozen "MoviePasses" in a given market category can come out on top to dominate (by definition, one -- at most two -- can) but every one is funded/priced like it will. This thing will come crashing down, it's just a matter of time.

Re: The Entire Economy Is MoviePass Now

#189
This is why I think we don't have inflation. Very low loans, and for managers personal careers it is actually beneficial to do this. The more of this is done, the more others are forced to do the same. This then results in lower interest rates, which ironically make it cheaper to do this, and results in more below-cost and more capacity, making the problems worse.

But in reality many companies are producing/exporting under cost, because it results in cashflow. To "conquer market-share".

It also means that at some point interest rates will rise ever-so-slightly and boom the whole thing will stop in a matter of a few months and we'll see 10% inflation in quite a few products and an absolute disaster in the stock and bond markets.

But in reality inflation is already here. The money has been printed. Governments have given it to their favorite banks, and financed their own careers ahem I meant government programs with it. Banks have given this in loans to everyone (because governments demanded they do this), and those managers have "invested" it in growth.

In reality of course, the vast majority of those managers and governments have no idea how to grow the economy (in fact, according to secular stagnation theory it hasn't really grown, for individuals, since ~1980-1990 depending on where you are in the world). So it's just been invested in unnecessary capacity expansion, making products they have no hope in hell of selling at the normal price, or just outright into financial constructions.

These things will have to be paid, and they will have to be paid by the customers. So the cause for price increases has occurred in the past, but people have used loans to stave off the consequences of their decisions on a large scale. So inflation is already here, and done, it's just suddenly it will need to explode.

Re: The Entire Economy Is MoviePass Now

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As a Moviepass subscriber, they create a lot of value for me. I can go to any movie I want at any local theater. That is a lot better than subscribing to five different plans, one for each theater.

Well you can just subscribe to the theater closest to you. Why would you want to go to the ones across town?

This may not be common outside urban areas, but I have theaters from 4 different chains all within a 40 minute walk, and I've visited them all within the last few months. If I were asked to pick just one to subscribe to, I'm not sure how I'd choose.
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