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Re: Too Clever by Half

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FamilICO -- pegged to the net worth of the world's poor. Not sure I'd buy that coin.

But I would make options on that coin a mandatory part of the compensation package of leaders in both the public and private sector. It is all about finding the right sort of incentive. :-)

Options are the right to buy not the mandate to buy. Thus the name "option". I don't know that I follow your point?

Re: Too Clever by Half

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High-five, fellow "burned by needing to do real work in university" high schooler :(

Schools are really failing their students by not helping them realize just how difficult university and "real life" can be.

Actually university is fairly easy if you seize the learning opportunities that courses give you; many students attend neither lectures nor tutorials/exercises nor tutoriae and then complain how difficult it is to pass the exam.

This still happens even though older semesters will tell any freshmen that they need to attend courses and do exercises to make it. What kinda works are mandatory exercises.

Re: Too Clever by Half

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A local commercial bank and a New York investment bank are really different things. The financial industry has caused some large problems, but it's also a big part of why the modern world works as well as it does. I don't think you're being charitable in your criticism of the article.

The modern world works well for whom? Laughable.

When would you rather be alive? There are tons of problems with the world today and many that we can fix but aren't. But the idea that things are worse now than before is just not true.

Re: Too Clever by Half

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Same here. Once I figured out that I didn't really have to do any homework in high school, and wasn't even required to do so in university, I was doomed. I'm now trying to teach my son that just learning to do the work, even if it's boring, is the real skill you need. But he's too focused on winning every mini-game.

Maybe try to figure out how to make the work fun? Or, try and instill a goal less of "getting the grade" and more "attain mastery of the subject"? I would have been burnt in college, except I got to homeschool the last few years of high school. During that time I took CLEP tests. They were pretty easy for the most part, but they required I actually do the reading and prepare for them. That helped, since in school I j…

> Maybe try to figure out how to make the work fun?

You need discipline, not fun. Schools largely fail at teaching discipline, let alone self-discipline.

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May I ask which classes, and what type of employer? I don't even know if any of my employers bothered verifying that I graduated college.

Before I graduated, when I was interviewing for jobs, lots of companies wouldn't interview anyone with lower than a certain GPA. Google was the most notable one, although they've since gotten rid of that requirement since they found it has almost no correlation with your performance as an employee. Other larger companies that cared were Lutron, Epic, and a few more I don't really remember. I think Epic even asked me…

I've had one company so far ask me for transcripts, and this was after I had been working for several years. That should have been a huge red flag.

Re: Too Clever by Half

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Okay. Let's slow down here: The OP says. >> And they’re not that smart. I’d put our barn cat up against a raccoon any day on any sort of cognitive test. We think raccoons are clever because they have those anthropomorphic paws and those cute little masks and even a Marvel superhero with its own toy line, but please. Raccoons are takers, not schemers. From Wikipedia >> Zoologist Clinton Hart Merriam described raccoons…

I am a big fan of raccoons as well. I think they are hilarious. They are just smart enough to seem stupid if that makes any sense.

Truly the Columbo of the animal world.

Re: Too Clever by Half

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What does race have to do with this? Your average white male in the US is not a rule maker and suffers under the same arbitrary and often downright unfair consequences as anyone else. I just watched a white male friend get punished for academic dishonesty because another student cheated off him, despite being able to prove conclusively with logs and other evidence that he had no part in it. I also just watched anothe…

The person you're replying to didn't claim that only non-whites or non-males experienced these things. They claimed that white males experience them less frequently . Your anecdotes are not substantial data, and the data do (empirically!) bear out the claim they were making, at least in many areas. You're also right, of course, that this has to do with the power structures in place rather than being purely about race…

Correct, I was only stating that this same meta-game exists. It’s not about identity politics, it’s that white men have made the rules for a very long time. So from the perspective of a white man, it’s an attack on traditional values.

From the perspective of a black woman, it’s trying to claw out the same degree of freedom that the rule makers have while not pissing them off enough to get rebuked (or arrested, or whatever).

I feel the world would generally be a better place if we all understood each other’s point of view better. Sadly, most rulemakers have no interest in this.

Re: Too Clever by Half

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Same here. Once I figured out that I didn't really have to do any homework in high school, and wasn't even required to do so in university, I was doomed. I'm now trying to teach my son that just learning to do the work, even if it's boring, is the real skill you need. But he's too focused on winning every mini-game.

This. I found out if I showed up everyday in high school and focused in class I could get a B or A in every class without doing any work at home. I still did some homework but it was in school. My time outside of school was mine. It was great. I had a very rude wake up call when I got to college. I know high schoolers now and I encourage them to actually do the work. It's not that x,y,z topic may be important someday…

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Re: Too Clever by Half

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> But at some point I realized that most of the time you aren’t getting in trouble because you are breaking the rules. You are getting in trouble because you are making the rule makers unhappy. i had a similar realization in late high-school / early college, but worded a little differently. the rules themselves were never designed to be reasonable; they were designed to solve problems that the rule makers encountered…

The issue with all of this is most people are rule abiding citizens, that's why it's so easy to game the system and get away with it. (Thinking about businesses & politicians)

I think you're missing the point of what GP is saying.

My interpretation was that rules are only an approximation for what the rulemakers actually care about, and if you understand that, optimizing for what they want and not what they say will be a lot better for you than doing what they say but not what they want.

Re: Too Clever by Half

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> Maybe try to figure out how to make the work fun? I don't think this is the right approach, because you need the ability to focus on work even when it is not fun. You do need something that makes the work rewarding in some way, but I wouldn't push to hard to try to make it fun. > Or, try and instill a goal less of "getting the grade" and more "attain mastery of the subject"? This was my approach in high school as w…

>> Maybe try to figure out how to make the work fun? > I don't think this is the right approach, because you need the ability to focus on work even when it is not fun. this is just coming from my personal experience, but i think it is very important for a kid to have a job sometime in the high school years. my parents are fairly well off and they "protected" me from this need by just giving me spending money (sometim…

One way to control unnecessary spending is to put the price in terms of how many hours you had to work to get that money. Then it becomes easy to put the item back on the shelf.
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