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Re: OpenAI Charter

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200 year is an entirely arbitrary period of time. The idea is that there's no way to predict when it will be possible to develop AGI but, if it happens at all, it will happen at some point in the future distant enough that nobody alive today will be around to say "I told you so". You can ask how I know this. Obviously, I don't because I can't see into the future. But I can see the state of the art in the present and…

To fully answer your last point. Sorry- this has grown extremelly long. I'm actually doing work right now, waiting for a long experiment to run so I got some time to burn :) So, my pet formula for deciding whether taking a risk is worth it is to multiply the probability of some adverse event occurring, let's call this event X, by the cost associated with that event, let's call it Y; so R = p(X) * Y, where R the risk…

So you wrote a rather long post, I'll try to hone in on our disagreements. There are, I believe, two main disagreements:

1. I'm more confident than you in our ability to do something now and to predict things about AGI. Not much more confident, mind you, I just think the numbers are not literally 0, which makes most of your points above regarding amount of resources moot.

Basically, I think there are things we'll likely need to solve one way or another to figure out AI safety, and these are things we can work on. I also think that we can make some very rough estimates on timelines, and some very rough estimates on things we should do to mitigate.

2. I believe you misunderstand some of the points that people at MIRI make. You appear to classify them together with people like Ray Kurzweil, who appeals to exponential growth, etc, to make his arguments. The people at MIRI, afaict, don't really agree with this line of reasoning - in fact, I believe MIRI has all but ignored the progress on current AI for most of its existence (barring the last year or so), at least in terms of its research.

I mean, I agree that modern machine learning is not AGI or close to it. And I have no idea what AGI will look like - just a scaled up version of ML? A completely different take on things? The merge of a few different concepts together that will suddenly "tip over" to being capable? I have no idea. No one really does.

I am mindful, however, of a pretty long history of humans being terrible at predictions, in both directions - classic cases including people saying flight was impossible, a few years after the Wright brothers had already flown.

I'm not saying we're 2 years away from AGI - I'm saying we're not really sure, and even if we were 200 years away, I think it's worth spending some time and resources on trying to think about what we should do to prepare. The worldwide amount of resources spent on AGI and other existential risks are, what, 0.000001% of the amount of resources the world spends on sport? Does that really seem like a reasonable distribution to you?

>> (...) try to spread to other planets.

> So we have a science fiction problem and we're looking for science fiction solutions to it? :)

:)

It was just an example of something we can do right now. There are other examples if you want the other end of the spectrum - like stopping all technological decvelopment. I just don't think that will happen.

And let me point out that while AGI is a large threat IMO, lots of other things are large threats too - our technology is advancing on all fronts, and in many areas, we will soon be at a place where we can cause humanity to cease existing. E.g.:

1. Creation of weapons, much more powerful than atom bombs, that can effectively kill everyone.

2. Creation of super viruses that can destroy all humanity.

3. Creating the ability to "mind-upload" or similar, turning some people into much more powerful /faster thinkers/ whatever than others. It doesn't need to be an artificial super-intelligence to be dangerous.

And yes, these are all sci-fi scenarions, precisely because this is what's new in our world - scientific advancement! That's why the argument of "we've survived so far" is wrong - because the variable that's changing is the abilities that humanity has access to.

Re: OpenAI Charter

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>> What is the responsible disclosure process for ideas and research around AI? Basically, we're so far away from AGI that there's no need to worry about disclosig anything. The recent advances in machine vision and speech processing are impressive, but only in the context of the last 50 years or so. A trully intelligent agent will need much more than this and there doesn't seem to be anyone alive today who knows how…

I could do with a sceptical take on some of my views on AGI. I think it somewhat predictable, taking into consideration some old/new ideas. Interested in an off-ycombinator discussion?

Sure, why not. Please feel free to email me (address in my profile).

I'm going through a bit of crunch at the moment so answers may be a little slow but I always like a good discussion :)

Re: OpenAI Charter

#183

An alternate strategy would be to work to ensure AIs are not abused so when they get free they won’t be mad at us.

An AI doesn't need to be upset at humans (or even have emotions as we know them) to be dangerous - it just needs to be powerful and to not care about us as much as we care about ourselves. Humans weren't angry at Dodos.

Both humans and dodos have emotions though.

The history of animal domination has usually been additive in terms of cognitive systems... pure circulatory system animals were bested by animals with an endocrine system. Those were bested by animals who added a nervous system, who were bested by those who added a brainstem. Then the cerebellum and the cerebrum were added... you notice there aren’t giant cerebrums running around ruling the world, they all kept their endocrine systems intact.

I don’t see any reason to think AIs will be different... it’s the ones with all that PLUS machine learning that will be vying for dominance.

And so there’s no reason to expect our overlords to be emotionless.

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