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Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by tinza123 »

YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 wrote: post #178
tinza123 wrote: post #170

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It is not that hard to imagine being fired by "clicking" likes, let's not oversimplify like this. Official tweeter accounts carry weights. Plus this is not about China at all, what if this is a Nazi tweet? An ISIS tweet? An anti-LGBT tweet? It's either the company's way of dealing with PR problems, or the employee's misconduct, but not about China.

A dictatorship like China raising the issue over Tibet is the equivalent of (an alternative universe) powerful Nazi Germany getting someone fired in the U.S. over liking a tweet about Jewish rights issue.

WOW that escalates quickly. I thought the Americans liked capitalism.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by learc83 »

fwgwgwgch wrote: post #129

If anybody needs reasons to at least partially support Trump, this is it. Nobody else would counter china Hillary's team was getting Chinese money from Terry McAullife.

Trump on the President of China taking power for life:

"He's now president for life. President for life. And he's great. I think it’s great."

Doesn't sound like standing up to China to me.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by John_KZ »

greglindahl wrote: post #167
John_KZ wrote: post #156

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This is also why people in France have stable, long-term jobs, instead of being fired by Wallmart every 6 months due to some war veteran scheme that allows them to save 0.1% on employee salaries. In this particular case, if the man wasn't trained appropriately to handle international PR while doing so, the wrongdoing lies with the company. The article itself seems to adopt a certain attitude that I really dislike. Fo…

A lot of young people in France are on short-term contracts, precisely because long-term employees are hard to fire. Imagine that you are a startup in France, with long-term employees, and suddenly you realize you screwed up, and you have to cut your expenses in half. Today, that means your startup is dead and all employees are screwed, but in the US, your startup continues with a much lower valuation. Which is bette…

Startups are a form of volatile research projects that could be done better in a corporate environment. Startups provide precarious and unstable employment, and on average they fail and lead to unemployment.

I personally love working on new, potent ideas, but this is not a viable model of development for society. "Gig economy" is getting out of control, and it's better to kill the startups than to let people abuse the legal loopholes they require.

If you cannot provide a certain minimum of employment time, you shouldn't hire people. As for short-term contracts, they were misused a lot post-2008, but the situation is much better now and most people won't work under such contracts.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by greglindahl »

realusername wrote: post #180
greglindahl wrote: post #169

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You might want to also talk to small businesses in France that deal with with unexpected setbacks -- from what I have observed, this usually ends up with a dead startup.

Not sure what your point is, if you have no money, you are screwed whatever the country.

In a similar situation, many US startups survive, after laying off of their half their at-will employees. That's my point.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by tyingq »

snarfy wrote: post #140
wdr1 wrote: post #125

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It sounds like Marriott wanted to be in a position to say someone had been fired, and he was offered up. Either way, pretty shitty on Marriott's part.

It should have been the guy that allowed all low level employees access to the official Marriott twitter account.

Surely they are using some overlay tool (tweetdeck, etc) instead of direct Twitter access. The tool should have limited or used some approval process for "likes" if that was viewed as risky.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by realusername »

greglindahl wrote: post #167
John_KZ wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also why people in France have stable, long-term jobs, instead of being fired by Wallmart every 6 months due to some war veteran scheme that allows them to save 0.1% on employee salaries. In this particular case, if the man wasn't trained appropriately to handle international PR while doing so, the wrongdoing lies with the company. The article itself seems to adopt a certain attitude that I really dislike. Fo…

A lot of young people in France are on short-term contracts, precisely because long-term employees are hard to fire. Imagine that you are a startup in France, with long-term employees, and suddenly you realize you screwed up, and you have to cut your expenses in half. Today, that means your startup is dead and all employees are screwed, but in the US, your startup continues with a much lower valuation. Which is bette…

> A lot of young people in France are on short-term contracts, precisely because long-term employees are hard to fire.

Having a long-term contract where you can be fired at-will any day is effectively the same as cumulating short-term contracts, so instead of a lot of people on short-term contracts, you just have everybody (100%) on short term contracts.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by YZF »

mthoms wrote: post #122
tatersolid wrote: post #95

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Pretty much all of them except a few European nations.

>Pretty much all of them except a few European nations. Where on earth did you get that idea? There are no affluent western nation besides the United States with "At Will" employment except perhaps Israel (I was unable to confirm).

Israel isn't "at will"...

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Post by Turing_Machine »

ndespres wrote: post #151
Turing_Machine wrote: post #132

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"That depends if you think some Americans would be offended if you claimed Hawaii was its own country." Do you have an actual example of someone being fired for claiming that Hawai'i was its own country? Edit: apparently you don't. Your analogy does not hold water.

I think the Hawaii example was rhetorical, but you can find examples of Americans being fired for supporting BDS movement or speaking against Israel occupation of Palestine, we even have laws against doing business with BDS supporters in some states. So we do evidently care enough about these sorts of disputes to make laws about them.

"I think the Hawaii example was rhetorical"

And my point was that it was a very poor analogy.

"we even have laws against doing business with BDS supporters in some states"

Link? I see some laws against state governments doing business with those companies, but nothing that says that a private business (like Marriott) has to fire supporters of that movement, nor do we have laws that prohibit those companies from doing business at all.

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