Was very surprised about the gender ratio: 92.7% Male, 6.8% Female, 0.9% Non-binary, 0.7% Transgender
A non-binary coder? How does that even work? :P
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
What were you expecting?
A lot more females?
Like 10% more or like 40% more females?
I get that a lot of people want more diversity in Tech, but honestly it's just not something most girls are interested in.
If you saw the following gender ratios for pre-shcool teachers: 92.7% Female, 6.8% Male, 0.9% Non-binary, 0.7% Transgender
Would you be surprised? Would you think more men need help "getting into the industry" since they are underrepresented? Or would you think that most guys just don't want to do that for a job/career?
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#183I love the part about SO developer story: 84% either do not use it or have never even heard about it (which basically shows its failure) yet insights team tries to interpret it as 40% actually using it. Based only on this point, I wonder how extremely biased their conclusions are overall.
Quite a few of those stats seem suspect. For example, I personally find it hard to believe that "80% of professional developers" prize Javascript above all other languages. Seems unlikely based on my network (which of course is a representative sample of all developers).
20% of survey respondents said they're students currently. 50% of survey respondents have less than 5 years of experience. 30% of the respondents said they work on the front-end only.
That will lead to some really weird results when viewed in aggergate.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is clear from their own accounts that many women face discrimination at their workplace, and that being subject to it brings significant costs. Unless you want to argue that women should knowingly accept positions where they will be discriminated against, the effect of sexism is that the viable job pool for women is smaller for reasons outside their control.
This is a fair point, I had not thought of it that way before.
It's a similar thing to those old (and way unethical) '70s and older studies they used to do to schoolchildren. Various forms of psychological abuse (telling them they aren't doing well even if they are, grouping them and prodding one group to harass the other) can negatively affects academic performance.
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#185Nice to see C++ on the loved languages section, while C only deserved an entry on the dreaded ones above C++ and has half of the wanted percentage.
Other than the verbosity the new versions of C++ are so much nicer to work with than C++03. C++17 is even better, constexpr if simplifying templates, structured bindings (though I wish there was an ignore option), optionals, if the C++ standards committee isn't careful they might end up with an enjoyable language in a decade or so.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist. Perhaps the women that responded would rather get paid less than work in a bro culture because they find it unbearable, not because they don't value being compensated well.
Yeah no body is arguing against that particular point. I have to say OP was just pointing out that preference on it's own can contribute quite a bit to the "wage gap".
Yes, I get that. What I'm saying is that it's reductionist to just chalk it up to preference and call it a day. It's a complex issue.
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#187Who Is Ultimately Most Responsible for Code That Accomplishes Something Unethical? 19.7% voted "the developer who wrote it"
Do Developers Have an Obligation to Consider the Ethical Implications of Their Code? 79.6% voted "Yes"
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#188Two unrelated remarks: I'm surprised that Elixir was the 6th most loved language last year and disappeared this time, while Erlang gained some points. Was it even in the survey? Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist.
Even more striking, "the diversity of the company or organization" is second last for women. > The tech industry is struggling overall with issues around diversity, and individual developers are not making it a priority when looking for a job. So perhaps it's not the "tech industry" that's struggling, it's some vocal minority that would like to convince you it does.
> Even more striking, "the diversity of the company or organization" is second last for women.
My wife works at a tech organization that is (unsurprisingly) mostly men. The data here seem to align quite well with what she has told me several times. Namely, she doesn't much care about diversity at the workplace since she feels the organization's values and culture result in her being respected and able to be a valuable member of the team regardless of who she is working with.
When she is able to work with other women in the organization, she does find that refreshing. So I think she would like to see more women among the team, but it's not something she thinks about much, putting it below other more important matters.
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#189What's up with Rails not being included in the Frameworks section when Django and Node.js are? According to Google Trends, Django and Rails have similar interest: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F0505cl,%2F...
Yeah i guess they don't include Rails as an option? Like other comment said, the survey probably didn't include Elixir as well, even though Elixir got a nice rank last year.
As a Rails developer, it's sad the number for Rails is far behind Django. This might make some confusion for people who are deciding which MVP framework to use.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting that you feel you can use Vim to write Java. I love Vim, really. It's my most favorite editor of all time. But for Java I wouldn't want to miss the auto-complete, auto-import, debugging and fuzzy search features of an IDE.
To play devil's advocate, it's possible to get a lot of those features in vim, see - https://valloric.github.io/YouCompleteMe/ - https://github.com/kien/ctrlp.vim - etc Anything else can quite easily be added via more plugins or by using a terminal multiplexer like tmux or screen (or a more complicated terminal like terminator, iTerm2, etc I use vim/tmux exclusively for my development, and while I don't use Java, I d…
At the time I checked it, YouCompleteMe under the hood was running headless Eclipse as background for its features. So for me it was even worse than using the IDE directly. Now instead of one lightweight tool I had two tools to do the job of one.