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Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Which is why I do not want anybody to make any pictures of me, especially not if they are active on social media. There are exactly two pictures of me online, the one is 30 years old, the other about 10. The quickest way to get me pissed off is to point a camera at me.

Out of curiosity, aside from emotional distress, what harm are you afraid of?

My take on this is "well, I don't really know, but I don't see any obvious upside either, so no thanks"

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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On a related note, FB seems to use the microphone, with permissions disabled, when the app isn’t even open, to listen in on our conversations and later advertise things it hears us talking about. I don’t have 100% proof of this but we’ve mentioned things we never googled or even put in our phones or computers and they are pretty specific (purple dress, tactile diaper bags, beer) and they come up the next day or two i…

Shouldn't it be possible to do a network traffic analysis to figure out if our phones are sending data to websites without our permission?

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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I'm with you. But I'd also be worried about coming off as the angriest (or most paranoid) guy on earth. I probably already hold the title in my family. What would be neat is a polite discreet social signal that politely discreetly signaled this to people with a camera. If you did it right, you might also get rich in a Pet Rock sort of way.

I've had exactly one run-in over 10 years or so about this with someone who did not believe me when I told him to delete a picture of me he just took. Other than that everybody seems to understand just fine.

If you "told me" to delete a picture that included you that I had taken in a public place, I would "tell you" no.

If you politely asked, I would generally delete the picture, depending on whether or not there was a reason that I felt I wanted the picture and whether or not there was a way to reproduce the picture without you in it. For example, if Bigfoot had run through the frame while I was taking the picture, I'd be less likely to delete it.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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post #117

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Which is why I do not want anybody to make any pictures of me, especially not if they are active on social media. There are exactly two pictures of me online, the one is 30 years old, the other about 10. The quickest way to get me pissed off is to point a camera at me.

I find that a little bit sad. Both of my parents have passed away (fairly young), and they were somewhat camera-shy when they were alive (not for the same reasons you are, but the result is the same). I have barely a handful of photos of them, and that's often a source of disappointment and sadness for me. I get that rampant data collection is unacceptable, and companies are terribly poor stewards of our personal dat…

Just as a curious observation, i wonder whether that sadness and disappointment would have been around before cameras and photos were invented.

After all, there was of course a time when no one had photos of their parents or their family.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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If you want to fight it: don't use Facebook ! No matter how much an individual thinks they're resisting or messing with the system, they're not. The only way to win is to not participate.

if other people still upload pictures of you to Facebook it's the same thing

Just as, if you’re ever in an e-mail chain that includes just 1 person on GMail.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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It doesn't work that way. They can see that you tag wrong too many people, and you're obviously an outlier, so your data is rejected. The only way you can "win" is by deleting facebook and pushing for better data protection laws.

You won't do it alone, but if most of your friends start doing that, either you mess up their training dataset by introducing a lot of noise, or you all will get flagged as outliers. Both situations are win comparing to learned helplessness one might fall into when realizing the ways how this data can be misused.

Right now the systems in public domain reach 97% accuracy. Facebook doesn't need you, even if you get a million people to try to "trick" the system, you won't do anything. The verification is to fine-tune it.

By the way, you forget that Facebook can simply exclude almost all those who know about this. What are you going to do? Do you think nobody will notice the 10M user fan page themed "Fool facebooks AI"? It just knows an extra thing about you, that you don't want to be tracked, so it'll hide news about tracking from your feed.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Can't find it in my Facebook settings - can you give us a pointer where to find these settings in Facebooks cesspool of anti-patterns they like to promote as the "settings" page...

There's a "Face Recognition" tab that's new to the settings page since the last time I went through disabling things. For me, it shows up on the left side right under "Language".

How many pictures do you have of yourself on Facebook? I see the setting, but it states that 'this is not yet available to you'.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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post #117

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I find that a little bit sad. Both of my parents have passed away (fairly young), and they were somewhat camera-shy when they were alive (not for the same reasons you are, but the result is the same). I have barely a handful of photos of them, and that's often a source of disappointment and sadness for me. I get that rampant data collection is unacceptable, and companies are terribly poor stewards of our personal dat…

Just as a curious observation, i wonder whether that sadness and disappointment would have been around before cameras and photos were invented. After all, there was of course a time when no one had photos of their parents or their family.

There have been paintings and drawings of people for centuries. And there are possessions of those people, things that they wore or touched when they were alive.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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> Needless to say, I don't have an account there. You'd be surprised.

My combination of first and last name is unique. Only 23 people have the same last name and none of them have my first. If I search for myself on facebook there are zero results. But there are probably photos of me on facebook in some form, that I don't doubt. I can't see all cameras.. Then there are the shadowaccounts they keep.

Yeah, I meant in more in shadow account way. They know who should be there but isn't (at least if you have friends and at least one of your friends gives them access to the phone contacts).

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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I got nearly the same notification, except mine defaulted to off, it said "This setting is off, but you can turn it on any time". My guess is that they based the setting on another setting. For example there was some photo tagging thing added years ago, and I disabled that. Most of my timeline and tagging settings are set to Custom or require review.

It's probably based on a conservative guess about your location:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-26/facebook-...

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