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SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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Post by ars »

mikeash wrote: post #178
ars wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally, was totally against the tax cut after reading about it in the media. Then it actually passed and the media (yup, that same media) put out some calculators. I played with those, and realized I was seriously mislead. Wait another month, when people will get higher paychecks, and see if it's still unpopular. I really wish the media would stop telling me how to think. Just tell me what happened. Leave out t…

You seem to be arguing about whether or not the tax cut should be popular, which is completely different.

No, that's not what I said.

I said a survey done that early is not indicative of people's true opinion.

Do another survey in a month, and that data should be correct.

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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Post by tptacek »

ars wrote: post #173
kasey_junk wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is impossible for this not to be a political topic and I probably shouldn’t be even discussing it here, but whatever. What would be the reasonable thing for the democrats to do right now? They weren’t allowed to see the tax bill. That’s what happens when something has the 51 republicans and it can’t be filibustered in the current environment. Further, the republicans haven’t even brought a bill forward to be filib…

Except they are hurting tons of people in the US in exchange for strategy. That's simply not right. And of all issues DACA? It's important to some people, but as a national topic it's pretty minor. > What would be the reasonable thing for the democrats to do right now? Realize they are weak and accept it. Then take the offer they were given and do the best they can. But don't hurt unrelated people in the US to try to…

As a national issue, deporting people who should by rights be citizens and have known no other country than ours, many of whom are parents of actual American citizens, children, citizens, who might not even know Spanish, that's a minor issue?

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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Post by vpribish »

pwaai wrote: post #184

I'm thinking losing a billion dollar spy satellite might play a factor here. Also the timing of the US government shutdown couldn't have been more damaging.

nonsense. There is no evidence whatsoever that spacex's launch of Zuma was anything but a success. Also, in what way is this the most damaging possible timing?

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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Post by thaumasiotes »

mikeash wrote: post #130
freeflight wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Officially yes, but I can imagine there being some bureaucratic delay until it's in full effect/everybody got the news. Not a lot of time between midnight Friday and Saturday. In German radio news, the US correspondent explained that the weekend should still be fine, with full effects of the shutdown beginning around Monday with the new week.

That’s oversimplified. Some agencies continue to operate for a bit because they have enough money stashed to do so. For example, the Smithsonian stayed open over the weekend and is apparently open today as well. The EPA will stay open for another week because they apparently have a nice chunk of cash somewhere. The postal service will operate indefinitely because they earn their own money. For everybody else, a shutd…

> For everybody else, a shutdown means you stop working right away.

This is not correct; for many a shutdown means you keep working entirely as normal on the understanding that when things are resolved, you'll get paid retroactively.

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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Post by mikeash »

ars wrote: post #181
mikeash wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be arguing about whether or not the tax cut should be popular, which is completely different.

No, that's not what I said. I said a survey done that early is not indicative of people's true opinion. Do another survey in a month, and that data should be correct.

You used the present tense in your initial reply.

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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Post by mikeash »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #186
mikeash wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s oversimplified. Some agencies continue to operate for a bit because they have enough money stashed to do so. For example, the Smithsonian stayed open over the weekend and is apparently open today as well. The EPA will stay open for another week because they apparently have a nice chunk of cash somewhere. The postal service will operate indefinitely because they earn their own money. For everybody else, a shutd…

> For everybody else, a shutdown means you stop working right away. This is not correct; for many a shutdown means you keep working entirely as normal on the understanding that when things are resolved, you'll get paid retroactively.

You’re right, I forgot to mention that people deemed “essential” in any agency keep on working anyway.

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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Post by spike021 »

isostatic wrote: post #182

However Rocket Lab's launch of their new Electron rocket, from New Zealand, has made it to orbit successfully. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2018/01/21/space-star...

Not sure how that launch is relevant, here.

Re: SpaceX can't test fire its Falcon Heavy rocket due to the government shutdown

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Post by [deleted] »

vpribish wrote: post #185
pwaai wrote: post #184

I'm thinking losing a billion dollar spy satellite might play a factor here. Also the timing of the US government shutdown couldn't have been more damaging.

nonsense. There is no evidence whatsoever that spacex's launch of Zuma was anything but a success. Also, in what way is this the most damaging possible timing?

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