James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google • Hacker News Board

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by microcolonel » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:07 PM UTC

thenayr wrote: post #140

john_moscow wrote: post #87

He doesn't have a choice really. With the PR mess he got himself into, no big company will ever hire him. Imagine the possible headlines "Microsoft hires the James Damore, the male supremacy advocate fired from Google". Nope, regardless the technical skill or his actual personality, his public image is forever ruined. So he realistically has a choice between becoming a paid speaker for fringe ultra-right organization…

Or, you know, he could realize what a monumental fuck up he made and try and make a difference for the better. The dude literally let himself be paraded around by the alt-right and neo-nazi groups as a hero. -----------EDIT below--------------- Zero sympathy for this dirtbag. He's un-hireable because he deserves to be. Future advice for Damore wannabees When alt-right Twitter agrees with your world-views, you're doin…

> The dude literally let himself be paraded around by the alt-right and neo-nazi groups as a hero.

Explain how this is James' fault.

> When alt-right Twitter agrees with your world-views, you're doing something WRONG.

Alt-right Twitter agrees that murder is wrong, the national debt is concerning, and that sexual assault is supremely immoral. What does that make you, if you define yourself by disagreement with them? It is not James Damore's job to disavow all the people you disagree with on other matters, no matter how legitimate your disagreement.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by jetcata » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:07 PM UTC

Legitimate question here, how is it ok for all the screenshots of internal tools which the authors must have assumed would remain internal to Google to be put into this publicly visible suit? Their names are visible and not redacted?

Is this just a reminder to be careful what you post at work?

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by Uhhrrr » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:07 PM UTC

john_moscow wrote: post #87

He doesn't have a choice really. With the PR mess he got himself into, no big company will ever hire him. Imagine the possible headlines "Microsoft hires the James Damore, the male supremacy advocate fired from Google". Nope, regardless the technical skill or his actual personality, his public image is forever ruined. So he realistically has a choice between becoming a paid speaker for fringe ultra-right organization…

I would imagine he could pretty easily get contracting work at a place that doesn't care.

Or create "Not James Damore Consulting, Inc." and hire himself out through that.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by Dowwie » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:07 PM UTC

mydpy wrote: post #137

Legal question: Most employment agreements require employees sign an arbitration clause. Even though these have mixed enforceability, they are very intimidating (which I believe is their intended purpose). If you had a high-profile case like this, are you choosing to defy the arbitration agreement? Anyone ever gone through this and willing to share the process?

James's legal team will try to argue why the arbitration agreement is unconscionable.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by chasing » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:07 PM UTC

john_moscow wrote: post #87

He doesn't have a choice really. With the PR mess he got himself into, no big company will ever hire him. Imagine the possible headlines "Microsoft hires the James Damore, the male supremacy advocate fired from Google". Nope, regardless the technical skill or his actual personality, his public image is forever ruined. So he realistically has a choice between becoming a paid speaker for fringe ultra-right organization…

> I hope they will settle for an amount sufficient for retirement and the dude's life won't get ruined due to a stupid political game he didn't even realize he was playing.

"Ruined?" Because he might have to take a non-tech job? Please.

He went to a diversity training event which should've given him a clear idea of Google's stance on the issue. Then he published an internal memo arguing against that stance. He knew the game he was playing. He just played it poorly.

Regardless, he'll be fine.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by dopamean » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:08 PM UTC

coloneltcb wrote: post #159

john_moscow wrote: post #87

He doesn't have a choice really. With the PR mess he got himself into, no big company will ever hire him. Imagine the possible headlines "Microsoft hires the James Damore, the male supremacy advocate fired from Google". Nope, regardless the technical skill or his actual personality, his public image is forever ruined. So he realistically has a choice between becoming a paid speaker for fringe ultra-right organization…

he could be CTO of Breitbart

This actually seems like a very realistic outcome.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by ebbv » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:08 PM UTC

endorphone wrote: post #79

ebbv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From his memo: > I’m not saying that all men differ from all women in the following ways or that these differences are “just.” I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership. He said exactly that, right there. Why do conservatives…

I'm not a conservative (far from it), but I think it's a ridiculous misrepresentation. He spoke to the distribution of preferences and abilities. Turning this into an absolutist simplification should offend anyone with a brain. The science seems to state that nature rolls the dice more with males than with females. We know, for instance, that there are far more very low IQ males than females, and this is understood a…

Really? You think I’m gonna fall for this b.s.?

You just tried to cloak the claim that there’s more highly intelligent men in a bunch of nonsense. You’re only proving my point.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by paulgb » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:08 PM UTC

Jonovono wrote: post #27

I never really saw too much issue with what he wrote. It seemed a lot of people were mad at him for things he never said. It's been awhile since I read his document, but I remember expecting it to be so bad from all the uproar I was hearing, but after reading it I couldn't find much to be angry about. Can someone enlighten me - i'll admit, this may be a highly ignorant topic of mine.

I'm a former Googler (left before the memo) and I was upset by the memo because, in implying that the hiring bar was lower for women, it contained the thinly veiled corolloary that my female colleagues were less capable than my male colleagues. That did not match my experience at all.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by ebbv » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:08 PM UTC

IncRnd wrote: post #151

ebbv wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I do see the difference; the second sentence is spelling out plainly the bigotry he's trying to cloak in faux intellectualism. It's always the same kind of crap from bigots. "Women MIGHT be less capable of engineering." "Black people MIGHT be more prone to crime." "Gay people MIGHT be more likely to be pedophiles." and it's always based in bigotry, not in science or evidence.

> Yeah, I do see the difference; the second sentence is spelling out plainly the bigotry he's trying to cloak in faux intellectualism. The second sentence wasn't written by Damore, so why attribute to him what he didn't write?

I didn’t, man. Work on your reading comprehension skills. They are spelling out the bigotry he’s trying to be coy with.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Post by bsaul » Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 7:08 PM UTC

thenayr wrote: post #140

john_moscow wrote: post #87

He doesn't have a choice really. With the PR mess he got himself into, no big company will ever hire him. Imagine the possible headlines "Microsoft hires the James Damore, the male supremacy advocate fired from Google". Nope, regardless the technical skill or his actual personality, his public image is forever ruined. So he realistically has a choice between becoming a paid speaker for fringe ultra-right organization…

Or, you know, he could realize what a monumental fuck up he made and try and make a difference for the better. The dude literally let himself be paraded around by the alt-right and neo-nazi groups as a hero. -----------EDIT below--------------- Zero sympathy for this dirtbag. He's un-hireable because he deserves to be. Future advice for Damore wannabees When alt-right Twitter agrees with your world-views, you're doin…

Yes, that's the spirit. Let's burn the witch.

Unless i missed something, the guy never advocated violence or gender discrimination, or making anyone's life miserable. He expressed opinion on scientific explanation. You may find it very stupid, but what in your mind makes you think it's OK to destroy a man's life for his opinion, and then i suppose pretend to be someone with high moral grounds.