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Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by calinet6 »

osteele wrote: post #39
stephen_g wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s weird, I keep hearing things like this but have encountered literally no issues with it on my mid-2015 MacBook Pro... Is there some particular hardware that it’s dodgy on or am I just lucky?

This is anecdata but… I have to reboot my late 2013 MacBook Pro a few times a week, when it freezes or becomes partially unresponsive in weird ways. Previous to High Sierra, I tried to remember to reboot it every few months, mostly out of superstition. I plan to upgrade to a 2015 model when this one dies, for the reasons mentioned elsewhere in this thread and here https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/10/benjamin_button_revi…

Try the NVIDIA Web Driver for video. The new Metal-based window manager doesn't play well with something about the stock video driver. NVIDIA's is faster for me.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by calinet6 »

sarreph wrote: post #63
stephen_g wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s weird, I keep hearing things like this but have encountered literally no issues with it on my mid-2015 MacBook Pro... Is there some particular hardware that it’s dodgy on or am I just lucky?

It's more the 2012–14 MBPs... I think Apple just couldn't be bothered to give their QA staff anything that was made before the past couple of years... I feel like my 2014 rMBP is silently yelping "What have you done to me?" every day.

Try the NVIDIA Web Driver for video. The new Metal-based window manager doesn't play well with something about the stock video driver. NVIDIA's is faster for me.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by Yetanfou »

dm319 wrote: post #9
notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…

> Linux is, of course, great, but what hardware?

Plenty of threads on this forum (and others) to choose from when it comes to choosing hardware for Linux. The answers are often similar: Thinkpad T4xx, Dell XPS 13/15, System76. I don't see HP mentioned that often but I have a bunch of (older) HP laptops running here and there which do just fine, just stay away from their consumer products and focus on (used) business hardware. Purism is cropping up here and there as well, mostly due to their active stance against Intel ME.

In other words it is not that hard to find good hardware to run Linux on. Given the state of MacOS these days the experience is likely to be less trouble-prone than that of those staying on (or hopping on) the Apple platform.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

notadoc wrote: post #17
dm319 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…

Well this is purely anecdotal, but at least 70% of the developers, IT workers, and researchers that I know are using prior generation MacBook Pro hardware (the ones without the touch bar or terrible keyboard, and with ports) and are intentionally using the older OSX versions. I know several people who traded in 2016/2017 models for 2015 models because it's literally an upgrade; get an older machine and you suddenly h…

And arguably better battery life.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by tedmiston »

ufo wrote: post #24
tedmiston wrote: post #2

I always wondered why people bother with htop on OS X when the built-in Activity Monitor.app is so nice already. I only use htop on remote boxes myself.

I have always wondered why people bother with non-htop apps, when htop is so nice already :) But more seriously, one of the big advantages of htop is that it is extremely lightweight, which helps a lot when you have other processes that are eating up all your CPU and RAM.

I think htop is a tolerable replacement for top but personally I find it just okay, not "nice".

The main reason I prefer Activity Monitor is that it has more features, like viewing open files by process, the energy usage pane and network activity on top of CPU and memory. I tend to prefer GUI apps any time I'm interacting with the interface a lot, like to sort, filter, drill down, etc.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by nexfitter »

osteele wrote: post #39
stephen_g wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s weird, I keep hearing things like this but have encountered literally no issues with it on my mid-2015 MacBook Pro... Is there some particular hardware that it’s dodgy on or am I just lucky?

This is anecdata but… I have to reboot my late 2013 MacBook Pro a few times a week, when it freezes or becomes partially unresponsive in weird ways. Previous to High Sierra, I tried to remember to reboot it every few months, mostly out of superstition. I plan to upgrade to a 2015 model when this one dies, for the reasons mentioned elsewhere in this thread and here https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/10/benjamin_button_revi…

Can confirm that review, my first MBP was the 2015 model with El Capitan, it has been nothing but sheer joy for me. I don't even have to deal with temptation because everything that has come out since has been terrible.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by coldtea »

stephen_g wrote: post #26
notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

It’s weird, I keep hearing things like this but have encountered literally no issues with it on my mid-2015 MacBook Pro... Is there some particular hardware that it’s dodgy on or am I just lucky?

Don't know myself.

MBPr with the strip myself, High Sierra latest, absolutely no problems. Connect it to external mechanical keyboard and Dell monitor when at work, also have external audio cards and MIDI gear. And many external HDs.

Where exactly are all those issues?

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by coldtea »

pavlov wrote: post #13
notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

After updating to High Sierra, OmniGraffle, an app that I use fairly regularly, stopped working. The only available solution was to buy a $50 update to the latest version. At least Omni Group should be happy about macOS 10.13. In Omni's view, my software was hopelessly outdated... But in reality it worked just fine for my needs even though it wasn't the latest version. I had bought the license in November 2009, so ex…

Well, indeed MS wouldn't break that compatibility.

But the Mac way, to which you sign in when you get a Mac, isn't running 8 year old software forever. It's updating things every few years, and breaking stuff going forward, not being burdened with backwards compatibility forever.

In exchange you get a more uniform and comprehensive experience, with software that adapts to new features faster.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by nicolaslem »

coldtea wrote: post #188
pavlov wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After updating to High Sierra, OmniGraffle, an app that I use fairly regularly, stopped working. The only available solution was to buy a $50 update to the latest version. At least Omni Group should be happy about macOS 10.13. In Omni's view, my software was hopelessly outdated... But in reality it worked just fine for my needs even though it wasn't the latest version. I had bought the license in November 2009, so ex…

Well, indeed MS wouldn't break that compatibility. But the Mac way, to which you sign in when you get a Mac, isn't running 8 year old software forever. It's updating things every few years, and breaking stuff going forward, not being burdened with backwards compatibility forever. In exchange you get a more uniform and comprehensive experience, with software that adapts to new features faster.

> In exchange you get a more uniform and comprehensive experience, with software that adapts to new features faster.

Do you know how old the version of Bash that ships with High Sierra is?

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by j_m_b »

macOS has gone down hill since it heyday in the 2000s, very noticeably so since it became known as 'macOS'. For a long time, it was the best nix you could run. The horror stories surrounding High Sierra might finally break my bad habit of commercial OS and make me go back to Linux or one the BSDs.
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