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Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Google's PR monkeys hard at work I see! I find it very, very hard to believe that HN readers would vote such a comment to the top.

^ Is that reply a sign, that HN is slowly transforming itself to some sort of 4chan board?

It would certainly be better than the current Randian cryptobullshit circle jerk it is right now...

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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I am pretty sure Google derives a lot of its revenue from advertisers who operate on the assumption that the users see Google searches as mostly efficient and impartial. There can be special cases, but they should not be statistically significant. Thus it is in Google's own interest to keep providing efficient, unbiased search or at least the appearance of it. Break this and the customers will flee to other search en…

I don't think advertisers care about the impartiality of the results, so long as their ads are getting eyeballs/clicks. An advertiser might care if there were another, more impartial search engine that was drawing those eyeballs away, but that seems vanishingly unlikely given the current ubiquity of Google as a household name and company. Sure, DuckDuckGo or whatever might draw some of the more tech-literate or paran…

I'm sorry, are you arguing that it is all right for Google to abuse it's monopoly position because it is a monopoly? At least, from the advertiser's position?

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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So Google's recommended way of reporting a problem is to post on a forum that Google themselves don't officially read (or promise any kind of response)? Do you understand why some people might not think that's a satisfactory solution?

It's not like you have a right to appear in Google's search results... I'll rag on Google's poor support as much as the next guy, but only when it's warranted. ProtonMail and anyone else that gets delisted / what-have-you is not Google's client and shouldn't expect first-class support for things like this.

Does Google care about the quality of its search results? You don't need to bring rights into the discussion to see why "post on this forum and maybe somebody will read it" is a poor solution.

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Search is now as vital to the Internet as DNS. As such, having it be run by an unregulated, for-profit monopoly is looking less and less acceptable. As a minimum remedy, Google should probably establish a defined email address or web site where complaints like this are answered within 24 hours by a human. It's not like they can't afford it, and it might hold off full-on regulation of their activities a while longer.

By saying "full-on regulation of their activities" do you suggest that it's some (which exactly?) government or committee is who would decide on search ranking algorithms and what shows up in the results and what doesn't? Or is it something else?

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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"Google's search results should contain exactly what I personally think they should in every case," said the HN commentator. "But they mustn't be personalized," said his boon companion. "Oh no, personalization is Evil." They nodded in agreement and upvoted each other's comments.

Red herring. Focus on the antitrust question

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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This is a discussion forum. Putting things into words is the purpose of commenting. If you can’t, then maybe you shouldn’t.

Unless you're on reddit of course ...

You UN idea would kill all future innovation.

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Google needs to be investigated and broken up. Its beyond time for an investigation and regulation of Google from the united states government. Other countries are already starting work against Google. The power Google wields over the general public warrants severe investigation at even the hint of abuse of power.

If that were true, then it would definitely also be true for Facebook as well.

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> It's not like you have a right to appear in Google's search results... It should be, though. It's not 1776. A website like Google is more than a company, it's a public service with immense power of manipulation and influence over countless industries. The law shouldn't be written like we live in the stone age.

Strawman garbage aside, Google is a private company (in the sense that it is not owned by the government), and you objectively do not have any right to appear in their search results. If you can make an argument to the contrary that doesn't revolve around "it's not 1776!" I'd love to hear it, but I seriously doubt that it would be in line with any US law. I don't think there's anything "stone age" about not requiring…

The US does have anti-trust legislation on the books.
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