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Re: Lessons of an MIT Education

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What I don't understand about this comparison is that there's actually an awful lot of "knowing what" involved in math and science too. You won't get far in solving math problems if you try to derive everything from first principles. You could make fun of historians for learning lists of dates, but you could also make fun of mathematicians for learning lists of trigonometric identities.

It seems like a mathematician should be able to derive a trig identity if asked? Otherwise you don't know it very well. Often mathematicians will make informal arguments but the idea is that you should be able to add rigor when needed.

Sure, and a historian who knows a particular period should be able to explain what evidence is available that event X happened on date Y.

Re: Lessons of an MIT Education

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your mileage may vary. https://nicemangos.blogspot.com/2017/07/professor-jordan-pet...

I did not check every claim in that article. What I did check, did not check out. They show a video of Peterson arguing that being a CEO of a billion dollar company is basically pointless stupid competitiveness and men happen to be more pointlessly stupid in that regard, and the blog interprets it as him saying women should not try to be CEOs That video is the center of the argument (the thing the post 'builds up to'…

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Re: Lessons of an MIT Education

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(Off topic) > Scientific biographies often fail to give a realistic description of personality, and thereby create a false idea of scientific work. Any recommendations for biographies which give a realistic look into famous scientists' lives? I am reading the Einstein biography by Walter Isaacson and it's pretty good so far. Completely off topic : how do you configure a LAN to have /~username urls (such as the linked…

"The Invention of Nature" about Alexander von Humboldt, by Andrea Wulf.

Very in-depth book about a naturalist who deserves to be much better known than he generally is. It also includes several chapters with mini-biographies of famous people who were influenced by Humboldt.

Re: Lessons of an MIT Education

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>Especially areas like programming languages, in their applied parts, operate more through argumentation and analogy than through proofs. I think the virtue is not in the value of the arguments, but whether the argumenrs are falsifiable. Programming has the virtue that it has to work for it to have value. Social sciences and humanities have to convince someone that it would work.

PLs arguments are very rarely falsifiable, if that's your criterion. I mean, yes, a programming language has to work in some sense, but that's a pretty low bar; C and Lisp work and have for decades, so we could just say we're done, disband the research field. The rest of PLs exists because they claim that they're building something that is in some way "better" than C or Lisp. But that's a pretty fuzzy argument, diffi…

> PLs arguments are very rarely falsifiable

You mean PL design, don't you? Performance work is very empirical. If my new type of inline cache is better then I need to prove that and it's falsifiable (using benchmarks, which I admit aren't ideal).

Re: Lessons of an MIT Education

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> Lesson Six: You must measure up to a very high level of performance. I can imagine a propective student or parent asking, "Why should I (or my child) take calculus at MIT rather than at Oshkosh College? Isn't the material practically identical, no matter where it is taught, while the cost varies a great deal?" Is there any truth to this? Because it seem like classical university jingoism to me. "My institution is b…

As an MIT alum, I don't see a ton of value in competing over whose classes were the hardest. I've met super impressive people from everywhere from community colleges to Rhodes scholars and do not subscribe to the idea that MIT alums are uniquely good. But having taken some physics and math courses at multiple universities MITs went much deeper in a shorter period of time. This isn't necessarily reflected in the sylla…

As another MIT alum I'd heartily second your statement "Most MIT students interact with one another in class as fellow masochists struggling together against a common foe". IHTFP anyone? One difference I have with you is in identifying the foe. I'd say it was the faculty, not the material. A second difference would be in assessing it as an advantage. I've encountered people who went to other schools that are, IMHO, at least as good as MIT (U. Chicago, Caltech). The experience they describe was less focussed on inflicting pain on the students and more on the cool stuff to be learned.

The first lesson from Prof. Rota is about making the painful and unhealthy practice of spending seven hours at a desk a routine thing. The course he cites is 18.03. Its subject, ordinary differential equations, is about as well understood as anything in mathematics. The ODEs that are solvable have generally been solved. I'd question the value of putting students through a meat grinder of lectures and problem sets to drill them in the mechanics of solving those problems. AFAIK computers can do the job now for both those with closed-form solutions, which students can be made to solve, and for those that require numerical methods. Would the students not be better served by a course that focussed more on understanding the nature of the equations and their relationship to physical phenomena than on how to grind through solving them using specific known methods?

The most significant thing that came out of MIT anywhere near my time there was the RSA cryptosystem on which most network security still relies. The most significant aspect of RSA is not the math of the factoring problem that it's based on, but the clever application of that math to create an asymetric cryptosystem. Grinding ODEs does not teach that kind of creativity. I'd argue that making learning into a painful grind actually hinders it.

Re: Lessons of an MIT Education

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As I understand things, it's possibly the biggest employer of people with computer science degrees, as well as the biggest revenue driver for the software industry. But perhaps to generalize, the relationship between "look at how creative this discipline is" and "look at what people actually do with it in the real world" is an issue facing every academic field.

Perhaps this is a local thing; almost no one in advertising where I'm from comes out of university computer science. Agreed on the generalisation though. I'd even wager that the "creativity of this discipline" idea is what is attracting new students to fields that aren't too viable after graduation.

> almost no one in advertising where I'm from comes out of university computer science

Do you not know anyone working at companies like Google? They have tons and tons of computer scientists working on serving the most applicable adverts as efficiently as possible to as many people as possible.

Re: Lessons of an MIT Education

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There are plenty of nutty mathematical or physics theories around. History is roughly as falsifiable as astronomy or biology.

> There are plenty of nutty mathematical or physics theories around. At least for mathematics I have hardly seen any "nutty mathematical theories" (I am a PhD student in mathematics, but not a physicist, so I cannot say anything about physics here). The reason that I see is that for a math text to be considered as solid, it has to contain good, understandable proofs - which are hard to write by "crackpots". To be mor…

If we were physicists, I'd be tempted to mention "normalization" here.

Ask your favorite well-known professor how many proofs of P=NP, the Riemann hypothesis, or whatever they get per week. Sure, they're all Time-Cube level crazy, but most off the wall theories are, too.

Re: Lessons of an MIT Education

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The author was quite harsh on the soft sciencies and humanities and I'm going to attempt a defense. First, he characterises these subjects as merely what, facts to be learned, instead of how, skills to be mastered. Let's take history, which seems very what, full of dates and names. A great course in history teaches you how to think differently and with deeper context about world events and your country's politics. I…

He’s an engineer or scientist. The world needs engineers and scientists, and it makes them feel good to assert their superiority. At the end of the day, these guys always work for somebody, who is usually some sort liberal arts or business major. It’s something to keep in perspective when somebody asserts that math and science run the world.

Math and science does run the world, but the mathematician and scientist does not. I believe this is more accurate.

Re: Lessons of an MIT Education

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Keep in mind that mathematics is only falsifiable in that sense because it is built entirely on assumptions. Mathematics isn't really a science.

I think you've taken Gödel too far.

Point me to an experiment that could falsify a mathematical theory. :-)

Re: Lessons of an MIT Education

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post #6

The author was quite harsh on the soft sciencies and humanities and I'm going to attempt a defense. First, he characterises these subjects as merely what, facts to be learned, instead of how, skills to be mastered. Let's take history, which seems very what, full of dates and names. A great course in history teaches you how to think differently and with deeper context about world events and your country's politics. I…

>I suggest that a society only interested in the workings of machines rather than the workings of people will soon treat people as mere machines. Let the nightmare begin.

So far the society that treats people as mere machines is constantly mouthing platitudes about the humanities to itself, chanting, "Think about people! Think about philosophy!" as though this will actually alter the balance of class power.

USAians already take more humanities courses in a STEM degree than almost anyone else in the world. It doesn't seem to accomplish much to turn everyone into fluent humanists.

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