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'Big Void' Identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza

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Re: 'Big Void' Identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza

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Amazing this stuff still yields secrets after thousands of years. Meanwhile the 3.5" floppy disks in my parents attic on which I've kept all my teenage Turbo Pascal source code have long lost all their data.

Real programmers store their source code on baked clay tablets.

Nam shubs.

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#182
post #144

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Wikipedia could be encoded into DNA and them spliced into species that are very long lived, geologically speaking, such as horseshoe crabs. Absent any negative selection against "wiki DNA", they could remain readable in millions of years time.

You will need a very strong error correction scheme. It is not necessary to have a negative selection against "wiki DNA", if there is not positive selection the error will accumulate quickly. With a quick googling, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation_rate#Variation_in_mut... I think that a mutation rate of 10^-5 per base per generation is a good estimation for humans. Let's assume 10^-6 per base per year. So after…

Losing only 50% of the data after a million years doesn't sound that bad. The bigger problem is keeping knowledge that the data is there and how to get it to survive even a tenth of that length.

Re: 'Big Void' Identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza

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"...for some reason:" - they shouldn't be allowed to destroy such an important monument to satisfy their curiosity.

I don't think that a 12 inch hole drilled big enough for a drone in a section of the pyramid that is protected from the weather and not visible to the public is "Destroying a monument". Do you think that the DNA test of King Tut was also destruction?

Given the wholesale robbery that early Egyptologists got up to (mummy-unwrapping parties were a popular social event in 19th-century England), one can perhaps excuse the Egyptian authorities for being a bit overprotective.

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#184
post #101

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Nothing blows my mind more than Göbekli Tepe, especially its age. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göbekli_Tepe

Fun fact: Cleopatra and Mark Antony etc. lived closer in time to the invention of mobile phones than to the construction of the Great Pyramids. Egyptian history is deep . Funner fact: the Great Pyramids were built closer in time to the invention of mobile phones than to the construction of Göbekli Tepe. Human history is way deep. Funnest fact: if we don't fuck it up, we're still only at the dawn of history, not at th…

It took ~60,000 years to go from nearly extinct (possibly 40 "breeding pairs" of humans[1] left alive) to Göbekli Tepe, and we barely know anything about that time.

[1] http://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2012/10/22/163397584/ho...

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A) proper digging shouldn’t destroy the monument. B) removal of parts of the structure is how we know what’s in it at all. The same is true for any othe other monuments that are structures. We had to dig through the valley of the kings to find the tombs. If we don’t breech the obstruction, we won’t understand the thing.

It's at the very least, a double-edged sword. You're essentially condoning grave robbing.

This entire planet is one mass grave. We only respect the dead for a limited period of time. (No one who died over 20k years ago has much in the way of cultural defenders...) At the 3k+ range, I think we can get a pass...

Re: 'Big Void' Identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza

#186

Forgive my ignorance, but couldn't this be explored with 20th-century technology like a very long drill bit and a fiber optic camera rig? Every article about this mentions sending up tiny flying robots for some reason.

It's the "very long drill bit" part that's problematic. They're trying to explore with minimal to no damage to the original structure.

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#187
post #58

This diagram shows a shaft going into this void from two sides. I was wondering why they don't send a robot down into those. Seems the answer is that they have, but there's something blocking the shaft and they're not willing to destroy it any further for some reason: http://guardians.net/hawass/articles/news_on_the_robot_Dec_2... http://www.crystalinks.com/gantenbrink.html http://www.gizapower.com/Articles/door2.htm…

"...for some reason:" - they shouldn't be allowed to destroy such an important monument to satisfy their curiosity.

What's the point of having monuments if you can't look at them?

Re: 'Big Void' Identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza

#188

Interesting how the pyramids have been around for 4500 years and we still don't know all about their structure... Fun fact: there's a Neolithic site in Ireland, Newgrange, that's actually older than the pyramids. Fascinating and worth a visit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange

Nothing blows my mind more than Göbekli Tepe, especially its age. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göbekli_Tepe

Thanks for sharing this place. I've visited Turkey and unfortunately was unaware of this site then.

Re: 'Big Void' Identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza

#189
post #58

This diagram shows a shaft going into this void from two sides. I was wondering why they don't send a robot down into those. Seems the answer is that they have, but there's something blocking the shaft and they're not willing to destroy it any further for some reason: http://guardians.net/hawass/articles/news_on_the_robot_Dec_2... http://www.crystalinks.com/gantenbrink.html http://www.gizapower.com/Articles/door2.htm…

Not sure how highly I would rate crystalinks.com as a source, given that they also talk about how viewing repeated digits 'activates' your DNA... http://www.crystalinks.com/11.11.html

Re: 'Big Void' Identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza

#190
The "big void" in the pyramids is very symbolic of the false deities of the Egyptians. Those worthless voids lead to slavery, suffering, and death. Its quite fitting the secular extremists in the US gov use the "big void" pyramid on their seal while they're forcibly freeing us from Elohim's wholesome and life giving ways. Secular = a big void of Elohim.

The ancient Egyptians were not genius, not creative, not illuminated, with one exceptional time: When Joseph and his illuminated relatives like Moses were guiding the Pharaoh. Without him, they would have starved from famine. And when his relatives left, they were driven by their prideful rebellion against Elohim to their deaths at the bottom of the Red Sea. Don't worship the tombs of failures, even if they're big and the world calls them great. Great failures maybe, forever documented in Exodus.

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