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Re: Netflix Employees Are Happier with Their Job Than Facebook or Google Employees

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That Glassdoor reference on Netflix software engineer salaries is wrong/outdated from my understanding - I don’t know a single Netflixer making less than $300k. Netflix seems to have an unusually open culture in general, including topics such as salary - they put their money where their mouth is and basically egg everyone on to beat them. Gotta respect that a company is willing to do that (I don’t work for them, but…

That's a very high number for a full time position. I wonder what engineers actually do at Netflix? Seems like most of the work would be behind them... I feel like a lot of big tech companies these days pay engineers to sound smart rather than for doing actual work. The interview processes at these companies would certainly indicate that.

Stuff like filling a 100Gbit pipe:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15367421

I think that's some studly work, so much so that I'm sitting at the FreeBSD conference at Netflix right now.

I'm retired but some people got me interested in this stuff and I asked netflix for some hardware to look at numa performance issues. I showed up and they just handed me a 2U server, 2 Haswell sockets, 14 cpus (unthreaded) per socket, 256GB, 26TB of SSD. Neat machine :)

So far, from what I've seen, Netflix seems like they are close to what they describe on their culture page (that's been linked on this page) but it's early on for me.

I can say that playing with the hardware, learning about the issues, talking to people about kernel work has got me pretty pumped. Fun problems, fun people.

Re: Netflix Employees Are Happier with Their Job Than Facebook or Google Employees

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Since Netflix fires employees who are unhappy I would like to hear the story from the other side as well, that is - from the unhappy fired employees.

That's not the sense I get, I believe (and I'm just going from what I've read so salt a bit) that they let go people that aren't producing at the level they want. So they could easily let go someone who was happy but not producing enough.

Re: Netflix Employees Are Happier with Their Job Than Facebook or Google Employees

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What makes sense is to offer an option instead of saying "we know better what you should want, so we won't offer it". Music sells just fine DRM-free on Bandcamp. Games sell fine DRM-free on GOG. So I don't see any reason for films to be different. Lack of DRM-free video has nothing to do with lack of demand, but more with paranoia and backwards thinking of some legacy media execs. See https://www.gog.com/forum/genera…

Music sells fine with DRM too, so do games. Not sure what your point is. I showed you that EMI offered an option with and without DRM. We know the results. Do you have examples where DRM and non-DRM products were offered, and users overwhelmingly chose the non-DRM product? I'm genuinely curious to see if it has ever happened and how successful it was. In any case, DRM is one of those things that I don't see going awa…

> Music sells fine with DRM too, so do games. Not sure what your point is.

My point is, that releasing for more people = more profit. And the opposite - not serving the demand = lost sales. It's pretty straightforward. DRM-free markets show there is demand. And those who refuse to release DRM-free show they don't do it not because of money, but for some side, shady reasons.

Not sure what your EMI example shows. They offered with DRM and without DRM, and then just with DRM, but it sounds like they didn't address the audience right. I.e. they should offer in all stores, not in one place exclusively.

> The easiest way to combat DRM is to start gofundme / indie gogo campaigns, where the developer gets paid upfront, and that way they don't care about DRM since they already made money.

DRM is not about money, it's about control (i.e. power). A different kind of urge some have. That's why using rational business arguments often doesn't work with such people. Control freaks don't care about lost profits, if in the end they feel "we are in charge".

> In any case, DRM is one of those things that I don't see going away.

It was broken through for music and games. Film industry is the one most plagued by it. And I agree - I see no sign of progress in it. It's too backwards thinking.

Re: Netflix Employees Are Happier with Their Job Than Facebook or Google Employees

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They chose BSD (freebsd) over Linux.

Actually, both Linux and BSD are used - BSD on OpenConnect cache appliances, but Linux for the entire backend running in AWS.

They are actively working on the FreeBSD kernel, see Drew's post that I linked to (they did enough work to fill 100Gbit/sec pipe with 100,000 TCP connections. Impressive stuff).

FreeBSD is used because they can get their work into the kernel, Linux is harder to change.

The Linux use appears to me to just be VMs in AWS, it's just a service.

Re: Netflix Employees Are Happier with Their Job Than Facebook or Google Employees

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Netflix employee here. We have a high performance culture, certainly, but it's not the singular focus. I have probably seen just as many people let go for their inability to work well with others as anything performance-related. From our culture page: "...there are no “brilliant jerks.” The cost to teamwork is just too high. Our view is that brilliant people are also capable of decent human interactions, and we insis…

When you say High performance culture, does it mean you have to work more than 8 hours a day? Is it butt-in-the-seat culture? if not, how do you measure performance? Would be great to know.

Was about to ask the same question. Performance measures vary between companies, sector, and management structures.

Re: Netflix Employees Are Happier with Their Job Than Facebook or Google Employees

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When you say High performance culture, does it mean you have to work more than 8 hours a day? Is it butt-in-the-seat culture? if not, how do you measure performance? Would be great to know.

Was about to ask the same question. Performance measures vary between companies, sector, and management structures.

Netflix doesn't reward hard workers. They reward smart workers. If you get your job done in 5 mins, and take the rest of the day off, they will reward you with a 20% raise every year. If you work your ass off 16 hrs a day but don't get your work done, you will get laid off.

Keep in mind that "the job" I'm referring to is more complex that regular jobs, but they hire people that can do the job that they need them to.

Re: Netflix Employees Are Happier with Their Job Than Facebook or Google Employees

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It's too bad their happiness can't translate into ultrawide video being displayed properly on an ultrawide monitor in my browser. I have tried a few times to inform them but I guess it either gets lost before it ever reaches the people who can fix it, or they just don't care to fix it.

Black bars surrounding all four sides of the video (only with ultrawide content on ultrawide browser) because their app can't properly apply video dimension to the user screen dimension is kind of sad.

It's a little hard to believe they don't know about it, because I'm not the only one affected. There are even some compromise-options users contribute through use of Chrome extensions like this one:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ultrawide-display-...

Even this is not a good solution, because Chrome is limited to 720p (Edge goes to 4k).

So.. users can either get a smaller video in a box centered on their screen, but with higher resolution, or they can get actual fullscreen with a poorly supported browser at penalty of a lower resolution.

I know, not the best place for bug reports, but customer support, Twitter, other social media all have failed to solve this for a good year and a half.. Hopefully one of their engineers can read this and think "I feel empowered enough at my job to be able to pursue a solution to this."

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Who are these videophiles who actually care about 1080p? It seems like if the show is any good, you don't need 1080p to enjoy it. Okay, I'm old, but we watched movies on VHS and it was a lot better than broadcast signal in a rural area. DVD's are very clear in comparison. HDTV is just icing on the cake.

Is this satire?

Nope, I really don't get the appeal.

Re: Netflix Employees Are Happier with Their Job Than Facebook or Google Employees

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Netflix is no different to any other company. Your happiness depends on your boss. And even single teams go through bad patches.

Some background. I wrote Netflix's recommendation system. Netflix later went on to take part in fraud against USPTO which now led to Netflix with no ownership of it's "most important technology". Xavier Amatrain https://www.linkedin.com/in/xamatriain/ was my boss. Xavier went on to hire lots of staff to try and replace my system and was unable to do so. In the end he started claiming credit for systems I had written without understanding the technology. He still presents his incorrect knowledge in public conferences. The result is that for 5 years Netflix has been running my alpha system without improving the technology (various techniques that Xavier tried and k-means, LDA and deep-learning). Netflix never did push a version I had written with 40% greater "click-through" rate, 3 times greater speed and order of magnitude less memory.

One example conversation I had with Xavier after he left Netflix (para-phrasing of course): Me: How is my system doing? Xavier: We don't use it anymore. We stopped using your system 1 week after you left. Me: Really what do you use? Xavier: I cannot tell you it is secret. Me: Who wrote it? Xavier: You don't know him. We hired him after you and he wrote and pushed the new algorithm. Me: So that new person, wrote a new recommendation system; pushed it into A/B test; got test results and then pushed it into production in 1 week. Xavier: Yes - he is better than you. All was this is a lie (and not out of character), because I have been in touch with other engineers post-Netflix and in fact I've talked with Justin on a number of occasions on the phone about how to keep my system running. Later Xavier invited me to work for him at Quora. He offered in his own words "an unbelievable salary". I of course refused. I met Xavier sometime later and tried to talk to him about a particular bad presentation of his. He got upset and shouted "Fuck Off, I'm not interested in listening to anything you have to say" multiple times. We were on the Facebook campus at the time. He left at that point.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Always remember https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-ge...

Re: Netflix Employees Are Happier with Their Job Than Facebook or Google Employees

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I'm not against this, but it goes against the grain of a capitalist economy as it does not maximize overall profits. For this concept to work at scale, we might need to rejigger the whole economy.

and? Just because our economic models are out of date doesn't mean we need to change the way we behave to keep shoe-horning them in. It means we need to change our models to reflect reality.

To be clear, I am totally on board with reimagining the economy. Sorry, that didn't come through in my post.
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