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Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by d0lph »

freeflight wrote: post #173
d0lph wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where can I buy a tube feed exactly? Do you have any examples of Trinknahrung?

Pharmacies, Amazon, even eBay. Afaik Fresubin 2Kcal DRINK is the highest calorie Trinknahrung from Fresenius. Amazon.com doesn't offer that many, what's there is quite expensive [0]. Never realized this stuff is so rare outside Germany, until now. In contrast, Amazon.de has a wide selection of different high caloric Trinknahrung, the Fresenius stuff even has Prime delivery [1]. [0] https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_…

It looks like you are not meant to live off of Fresubin. Just 2 bottles, or 800 calories is certainly not enough.

> 2 x 200ml bottles per day will provide 40g protein, 800kcal and meets the average adult recommended daily requirements for vitamins and trace-elements# (DOH 1991).

You would need to drink 5 bottles to meet average calorie requirements. I don't know if there are health risks to consuming 2.5x above the daily requirements, but it was clearly not designed to be a total meal replacement.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by fernly »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #164
Nition wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea is essentially maximizing nutrition while minimizing preparation. It's not really a way of buying food so much as a way of buying time.

In that case, why is it any better than just ordering some takeaway?

One, real convenience: a bottle in the fridge versus choosing, ordering, waiting, tipping. Two, takeaway WHAT? The common carry-out foods are not models of balanced nutrition. Often people who talk about Soylent say it saves them from a frequent round of pizza, hot wings, pre-made sandwiches, burger'n'fries.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by fernly »

nunez wrote: post #92
cisanti wrote: post #17

Are that kind of drinks popular in North America and if, then why..? I'm having problems understanding why would anyone want to consume something like that.

They are popular amongst people that don’t know of other options. Meal replacements have been around since forever. Every grocery store out there carries Slimfast, for example. Abbott and Labrada Labs, amongst many others, also make them. IMO Soylent tastes gross, too. Kind of like soggy cereal.

I did a detailed comparison of Soylent and its clones to Ensure here[0].

There are striking differences in the macronutrient ratios and in the prices. Soylent (Huel, etc) are much closer to the USDA recommended macro ratios, and have much less sugar. Only Ensure Original is less expensive than Soylent, all the other Ensure products (there are several) are much more expensive per calorie.

[0] http://futurefood.hellobox.co/soylent-is-not-ensure-and-why/...

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

earlyriser wrote: post #136
discreditable wrote: post #99

I find it funny that on their powder's product page[1], they champion themselves for "Transparent Labeling", and right under that put the "bad" stuff in barely legible grey. 1. https://www.soylent.com/product/powder/

I don't see this as a dark pattern or a malicious decision. Most of the stuff we buy don't explicitly say "It's not organic", "It's not allergen-free". I know they are minimizing this and putting the focus on the other column, but it looks more transparent than other companies in my opinion.

Minimizing the truth, not a dark pattern...hmmmm.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by dragonwriter »

fernly wrote: post #184
nunez wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are popular amongst people that don’t know of other options. Meal replacements have been around since forever. Every grocery store out there carries Slimfast, for example. Abbott and Labrada Labs, amongst many others, also make them. IMO Soylent tastes gross, too. Kind of like soggy cereal.

I did a detailed comparison of Soylent and its clones to Ensure here[0]. There are striking differences in the macronutrient ratios and in the prices. Soylent (Huel, etc) are much closer to the USDA recommended macro ratios, and have much less sugar. Only Ensure Original is less expensive than Soylent, all the other Ensure products (there are several) are much more expensive per calorie. [0] http://futurefood.hellobo…

> Soylent (Huel, etc) are much closer to the USDA recommended macro ratios

No, by your numbers, Ensure (pretty much all of the various versions) are closer than any others the center of the USDA ranges.

> Only Ensure Original is less expensive than Soylent

Your own analysis shows all of the Ensure products except High Protein as less expensive than Soylent 2.0, and only Ensure Plus (not Original) is cheaper than Soylent 1.8.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by dragonwriter »

nilved wrote: post #133
discreditable wrote: post #99

I find it funny that on their powder's product page[1], they champion themselves for "Transparent Labeling", and right under that put the "bad" stuff in barely legible grey. 1. https://www.soylent.com/product/powder/

This is simply disingenuous. That's perfectly legible. Especially compared to the common practice of not posting it at all. I don't see how anyone can be upset at this.

I don't think anyone would find it noteworthy if they weren't claiming to be a champion of transparency.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #153

The post is vague enough about the specific regulations it's supposed to have broken. This doesn't make the Canadian government's regulations look overly stringent, it instead makes Soylent look like they're trying to not scare off their customers, at best.

To me, not addressing the specific regs they are afoul of is a huge lie of omission. Especially considering they are trying to cast those regulations as "outdated". If they are outdated, then put it out there. I'm sure the geeks who no doubt make up the lion's share of their customer base will be able to vet the regulations vs. reality.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by seiferteric »

riffraff wrote: post #100
seiferteric wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the "fat is bad" idea is fairly recent as well, really only since the 70s.

OTOH, it's not like fat was so abundant before, neither from meat nor dairy.

I have heard stories from my parents and grandparents that my great-grandparents from Germany would save all types of animal fat (Goose, Pork, Beef etc) and use it for cooking and soap making. It was a precious commodity and was not thrown away. Also I think butter was pretty available. It wasn't until WW2 I think that it became scarce and vegetable oils and margarine came on the scene.
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