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Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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> Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6. And so it begins. I think/hope that the next RHEL will do the same thing, at which point the final nail will be in Py2's coffin.

I can't wait for people to stop expecting that putting #!/usr/bin/env python at the top of their scripts will lead to python2 being used.

Currently on most distorts you’ll get an error. You’ll need to use python3 explicitally for now.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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I've been looking forward to Python 4 for a long time now.

Has there been anything posted about it? I'd be interested to read up on it.

It’s just going to be one after 3.9. Nothing special.

https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2014/09/17/why-python-4-0...

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Fabric is still not supporting py3, it's important tool for a lot of admins.

There's a maintained Fabric fork [0] for Python 3, it is basically a drop-in and available via pip. [0] https://github.com/mathiasertl/fabric/

In addition, fabric 2 is making progress.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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32-bit installer images are no longer provided for Ubuntu Desktop. The Ubuntu Desktop now uses GNOME instead of Unity. On supported systems, Wayland is now the default display server. The older display server is still available: just choose Ubuntu on Xorg from the cog on the log in screen. GDM has replaced LightDM as the default display manager. The login screen now uses virtual terminal 1 instead of virtual terminal…

> Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6. And so it begins. I think/hope that the next RHEL will do the same thing, at which point the final nail will be in Py2's coffin.

Considering RHEL 7 doesn’t even have Python 3 available in the core packages, I bet RHEL 8 will at least have Python 2 available as a package, just not installed by default.

I would be surprised if they didn’t give any overlap between 2 and 3 in RHEL 8.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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1% of users with very particular requirements should not hold back the experience of the other 99%.

Something as fundamental as remote desktop should not be sacrificed for the convenience of a tiny minority of developers.

The lack of a reliable UI is one of the main reasons holding me back from using Ubuntu as my main OS. I wouldn’t mind giving up a native Remote Desktop if it means everything else works better.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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I have bought a new desktop this spring. The first thing I did was configuring wake on lan (in France, we have 7 days to cancel a purchase). The second one was to configure ssh and gnome to be able to administer it remotely (line DisallowTCP=false in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf). I use Linux at work since 1999 and I have used a local display less than 1% of the time. An application that does not work remotely does not exis…

I'm lost, why is it relevant that "in France, we have 7 days to cancel a purchase"?

I think he was trying to explain why he immediately configured wake on lan, ssh and so on: had he encountered problems in the configuration, he could have returned the item to the store.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Really sad that they were bullied into getting rid of unity. No global menu in gnome is a joke. Feels like going back in time.

They weren't bullied...they were wasting money. It still used compiz, which the maintainer even said was...my own words...junky. Then they decide to go mir and convergence even when the community said not to.

I like what ubuntu has done for linux use, but they seem really good at blowing money. Upstart, Mir, Unity, etc...

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Plenty of things don't have python 3 support, but you can still use python2 without it being /usr/bin/python.

I doubt very much Ubuntu has made python3 /usr/bin/python, since the official recommendation of the Python project is to not do that. Still true of course that it doesn't have to be installed by default even if some applications still need it.

> I doubt very much Ubuntu has made python3 /usr/bin/python, since the official recommendation of the Python project is to not do that.

Tell that to Arch. :(

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Has there been anything posted about it? I'd be interested to read up on it.

It’s just going to be one after 3.9. Nothing special. https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2014/09/17/why-python-4-0...

If they're going to do that, they may as well just drop the dot.
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