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Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by acdha »

katastic wrote: post #149
azinman2 wrote: post #131

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I think this is rediculius. If they took down child porn, would you also have an issue with this? What about a phishing site hosting malware and capturing passwords for the Russian mafia? It seems clear to me you can’t be 100% agnostic to your content. There is a huge gap between “conservative bent” and those trying to actively incite violence in the name of Hitler. And that they’ve only removed ONE such site across…

If you bothered to Google before posting, you'd see more than a single data point. Voat was targeting with a letter writing campaign saying they were a child porn host when they weren't. All the liberals said "if you don't like Reddit, make your own." So someone did. And then liberals DDoS'd it into the ground and had any ISP that dared host them, filled with DMCA and child porn notifications. Instagram, Facebook, an…

“Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter have all worked against anyone who dares question the status quo.”

You should get your news from somewhere better than Breitbart. That’s not only transparently untrue – try spending 30 seconds watching the stream without seeing someone question the status quo – but comically so given the number of people complaining with cause that those services aren’t shutting down abusive users. I mean, Facebook and Twitter notoriously say that death and rape threats don’t violate their community standards until it gets widespread attention, and you think your unsourced assertion that simply asking questions gets anyone banned?

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by rhizome »

dx034 wrote: post #158
corobo wrote: post #128

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Disclaimer: As far as I understand it. May not be completely accurate, not a lawyer much less a lawyer in the USA. On receiving a DMCA takedown notice they have to remove access to the content. Them's the rules of the DMCA. You can then file a counter claim if the notice is mistaken or fraudulent or you have the required permissions. The next step for the claimant is then to either remove their claim and allow your c…

As I understand youtube allows large companies to automatically delete videos, without sending a DMCA? They have some kind of API where they can delete videos they think violate their rights so that Google has less administrative costs. This has backfired in the past as many videos were deleted that didn't actually violate any rights.

Correct: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3045545

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by abtinf »

grzm wrote: post #180
throwaway324083 wrote: post #174

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Cloudflare has no issue providing service to phishing sites: https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2013/10/07/phishers-using... They have no issue providing service to ISIS: https://www.theepochtimes.com/anti-terrorist-hacker-group-re... The CEO literally said it was because he felt like terminating DailyStormer. Why is it suddenly wrong to repeat his own words? Instead you make it sound like this is about the content,…

> The CEO literally said it was because he felt like terminating DailyStormer. Do you have a quote where the CEO says this? Your statement gives the impression that this was nothing more than a whim. As I pointed out below, according to their own statement on the matter, that's not the case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15350723

I find it bizarre that you repeatedly link to the sanitized corporate blog. The CEO has explicitly stated it was pure whim: “Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision.”

https://gizmodo.com/cloudflare-ceo-on-terminating-service-to...

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by bogomipz »

nkohari wrote: post #177
KGIII wrote: post #163

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> No, to be clear, if you add up all the companies using all the CDNs you mention you only get to about 1,000 that are doing so at any meaningful and interesting scale. That's a shame. There should be 100x that. That's what we want to enable. Emphasis mine. That's exactly what it looks like to me, more so when I look at it in context with the rest of the comment they made?

> No, to be clear, if you add up all the companies using all the CDNs you mention you only get to about 1,000 It's very clear that he's counting companies using the CDNs to distribute video content. What would the 1,000 figure refer to otherwise?

The 1,000 was quantified as "1,000 that are doing so at any meaningful and interesting scale."

With no indication for what "meaningful and interesting scale" actually means. I even asked what the criteria was for "meaningful and interesting scale" was. I received no "meaningful or interesting" response. However I was downvoted several times.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by abtinf »

grzm wrote: post #173
throwaway324083 wrote: post #171

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That's the problem though. Cloudflare did not terminate DailyStormer because of the content. Cloudflare hosts over 40 ISIS related websites, which they continue to do and have not terminated. https://www.theepochtimes.com/anti-terrorist-hacker-group-re...

> There's clearly some undefined standard here, known only in the head of Cloudflare's CEO. Cloudflare was quite clear on the criteria they used. > The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology. https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/ You can disagree with that criteria, and you can question w…

Yes, they were extremely clear on the criteria they used: the CEOs emotional state.

“Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision.“

https://gizmodo.com/cloudflare-ceo-on-terminating-service-to...

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by shimon_e »

eastdakota wrote: post #69
dullgiulio wrote: post #43

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Any idea when the pricing will be finalized?

We have a good sense of the pricing but want to talk with more customers during the beta period. We're sure that it will be charged on something that doesn't create a perverse incentive against innovation (like per-byte pricing). Initially the pricing will be time based (e.g., per minute viewed) and we think we may be able to create a CPM price (i.e., per view regardless of length up to some limit). Our goal is to be…

>Our goal is to be the lowest cost, highest quality, easiest solution in the market.

Youtube is free. Sidenote, I am still interested in this product.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by KGIII »

nkohari wrote: post #177
KGIII wrote: post #163

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> No, to be clear, if you add up all the companies using all the CDNs you mention you only get to about 1,000 that are doing so at any meaningful and interesting scale. That's a shame. There should be 100x that. That's what we want to enable. Emphasis mine. That's exactly what it looks like to me, more so when I look at it in context with the rest of the comment they made?

> No, to be clear, if you add up all the companies using all the CDNs you mention you only get to about 1,000 It's very clear that he's counting companies using the CDNs to distribute video content. What would the 1,000 figure refer to otherwise?

And he's very clear there should be 100x more companies making video content. My contention is that video is a horrible way, usually, to convey information. More companies means more video. That's a pretty horrible idea, actually.

Video is, except for a few areas, a horrible way to impart information. The only 'good' thing about video is that you can embed unskippable ads.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by [deleted] »

_eht wrote: post #157
manigandham wrote: post #3

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Yes, they have plenty of customers benefiting and are one of the few companies that are constantly innovating with new features, especially with content delivery performance and security. As much as I dislike network consolidation into a handful of companies, there are not many real competitors for the features and value of Cloudflare.

Nice edit. Were the downvotes getting to you?

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Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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Post by KGIII »

bogomipz wrote: post #184
nkohari wrote: post #177

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> No, to be clear, if you add up all the companies using all the CDNs you mention you only get to about 1,000 It's very clear that he's counting companies using the CDNs to distribute video content. What would the 1,000 figure refer to otherwise?

The 1,000 was quantified as "1,000 that are doing so at any meaningful and interesting scale." With no indication for what "meaningful and interesting scale" actually means. I even asked what the criteria was for "meaningful and interesting scale" was. I received no "meaningful or interesting" response. However I was downvoted several times.

I got a downvote for asserting that it was a horrible idea and that they'd suggested we needed 100x that. So, I quoted their post in my next reply.

Maybe someone has vested invested in online video content?

It really is a horrible way to communicate most of the time. It has uses, don't get me wrong. I don't see it having 100,000 useful uses, however. Every news site will be nothing but a text blurb and a video, it'll be video all the way down. It's a horrible idea.

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