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Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by alloyed »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #49
coldtea wrote: post #30

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Language servers are local services that analyze the code outside of your editor (and can be used by several editors etc). It's a protocol that got big the last 2 years or so. It doesn't refer to servers in some Cloud.

So... daemons?

yes and no? Unlike a traditional daemon, this isn't a system service that always runs in the background.

The IDE (in this case atom) spins up the process and shuts it down when necessary, and then both sides communicate to each other using an implementation-defined IPC mechanism.

So it's a server more in the sense that the IDE requests info as a client, and then the server provides it (pull, not push).

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by yaseer »

tootie wrote: post #47
Tenobrus wrote: post #13

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The same reason thousands of programmers use Vim or Emacs with various extensions as their development environment. It allows the same editing experience across multiple languages. A consistent interface, lack of need for learning many (often very different) IDEs, less proprietary annoyance, many many more options for customization, much easier to port your setup to various platforms, etc. Admittedly I don't think At…

I think that's less relevant than it used to be. JetBrains is now the de facto best IDE for Java, JavaScript, Python and PHP. It has Android Studio and even support for C#. Visual Studio also supports a wide array of languages. I'm in IntelliJ pretty much all the time, no matter the project.

I agree; I use intellij for the consistent experience across languages.

It's difficult to beat vim (or Emacs) for quick edits. But for deep-dive coding I'm gladly sold in on jetbrains.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by chillee »

komali2 wrote: post #101
dkersten wrote: post #87

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> The same reason thousands of programmers use Vim or Emacs Vim/emacs give a better experience though: they work in a terminal/over ssh and they are FAST and lightweight (memory use). Atom has neither of these properties.

I've been wondering if there's a way to use a more graphical editor over SSH, such as vscode or sublime. I get that I could just "learn VIM" but I already know a shitload of hotkeys for vscode/sublime (they're easily transferred), so I'd rather just use them.

Nuclide has pretty good support for remote editing (it's Facebook's "official" code editor internally), and VSCode is adding similar functionality. https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/pull/30337

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by krisdol »

Longhanks wrote: post #71
aesthetics1 wrote: post #66

This seems aimed squarely at VSCode. VSCode does a lot of this now out of the box (or with a few extensions). I think Atom is really just trying to keep up. I personally do not believe they have the horsepower to compete with Microsoft here though. VSCode is a phenomenal product.

Most importantly, VS Code does all this with a lot better performance and without Facebook.

> and without Facebook

And Atom does it without Microsoft.

Seriously though, what kind of comment is that? Facebook develops open source plugins for the atom ecosystem, and somehow that's supposed to be the most important criticism?

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by krisdol »

mrnaught wrote: post #121
vorpalhex wrote: post #81

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I've always chosen Atom over VSCode because I don't want these features. Autocomplete even on really expensive IDEs runs way to slow, clever auto formatting and it's ilk tend to not work well for me at all, and I dislike the overbearing project management features in most IDEs. I want a text editor that vaguely understands code with some simple file browsing and plug and play extensions. Atom trying to become VSCode…

> Autocomplete even on really expensive IDEs runs way to slow.. Not true for jetbrains ones. Autocomplete speed is One of the reasons for me to go for their toolbox subscription

I recently fired up WebStorm and found typing to be slower than atom for most files. I wouldn't open a large file in atom, sure, but it's been getting better in that regard and generally most of my code files are < 400 lines anyway.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by krisdol »

m4tthumphrey wrote: post #56

Why why why why why? What is the point in this? Seriously. Please can someone enlighten me. Atom was bad enough with all of the other text editors are out there and not written in JS, but now you can't even say it's just a text editor. Facebook and the other contributors clearly have too much spare time on their hands. JetBrains. End of.

Have you tried not using atom? Atom is and has been my IDE replacement for almost 3 years now. Things like this make my experience better.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by khedoros1 »

greenshackle2 wrote: post #174
khedoros1 wrote: post #152

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How did he feel about perpetually renting them? Even if the tool is currently perfect, I don't trust that the company's future plans will align with my future needs; I expect that they'll diverge. edit: I stand corrected; didn't see the asterisk and the separate page specifying that an active subscription isn't necessary to continue using the current version of the software.

If you bother looking at the page you'll know when you buy a yearly subscription (or 12 consecutive monthly) with Jet Brains you automatically get a perpetual license for the current version. You only need to keep paying if you want to keep getting updates. If you're happy with the current version no one is forcing you to keep paying or keep updating. I can't speak to all IDEs, but at least with IntelliJ you're not j…

I looked at the page, but didn't read the definition of "perpetual fallback license". Thank you for the clarification.

It still seems bizarre that one standard case is that you pay for a subscription, presumably using version x, and then are pushed down to version x-1 if you didn't subscribe for at least a year under version x.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by thomastjeffery »

hacker_9 wrote: post #10

Honestly can't see why I'd use this - I have all the professional grade IDEs I need, why do I need one that is written in JS, is slower and consumes 5x more memory? Not to mention IDEs already have their own extension stores too. This seems like an 'IDE-lite', which doesn't make much sense in a world where professional grade IDEs are free.

Configuration.

An IDE comes with its own text editor. Any Emacs user will tell you it is much more powerful to have an IDE come with your editor.

The ability to have your editor configured exactly how you want it (keybindings, fonts, etc.), and consistently use that configuration for all of your text editing is definitely appealing.

The same goes for having all the plugins you use with your editor available when doing "IDE" things (debugging, etc.).

TL;DR It just all-around makes more sense to have IDE features built into an editor instead of the other way around.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by ronjouch »

komali2 wrote: post #101
dkersten wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The same reason thousands of programmers use Vim or Emacs Vim/emacs give a better experience though: they work in a terminal/over ssh and they are FAST and lightweight (memory use). Atom has neither of these properties.

I've been wondering if there's a way to use a more graphical editor over SSH, such as vscode or sublime. I get that I could just "learn VIM" but I already know a shitload of hotkeys for vscode/sublime (they're easily transferred), so I'd rather just use them.

Just mount your remote folder with sshfs [1] and enjoy your local toolshed :) . X forwarding is overkill when all you need is accessing files.

[1] https://github.com/libfuse/sshfs , packaged by your distribution

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by SwellJoe »

imtringued wrote: post #156
noir_lord wrote: post #134

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My grandfather was a master carpenter, he had a saying I've always liked "If you use something for more than an hour a day buy the best you can afford". I've never minded paying for developer tools as long as I could afford them, lots of professionals spend a lot more than we do on tools/professional development.

Offtopic: I would also urge you if you want to solder not to buy a cheap soldering iron from radioshack, etc. If you don't have the money for a weller or hakko soldering station then at the very least buy a chinese temperature controlled hakko 936 clone. The difference between a crap iron and a decent temperature controlled iron is gigantic.

I used to solder a bunch as a kid, using my dad's Weller gun (which was built like a tank and still worked last I heard, even though it was something like 40 years old). When I bought my own cheap soldering iron "pencil" as an adult for one project, I thought I'd forgotten how to solder. It seemed so hard to get good joints with the cheap iron. The Weller gun wasn't even temperature controlled but it worked. The cheapo pencil iron just didn't get hot enough fast enough to be useful.

Then I bought a mid-range Weller station and things got super easy again. It's about ten years old now and still works fine. It's probably a worthwhile investment, even for rare use. I mean, it's only ~$100 to get a pretty good iron, vs. $20 for garbage.

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