Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

And this after they just got done doing a massive rearchitect of the self-hosted HipChat. Now I wonder where they plan on going with that...

One thing Slack could improve is handling this when following multiple slacks. At least with the windows client it seems that I need to occasionally click through all of them to see if there are messages for me. Not sure if this is a bug or a feature (could be some attempt to minimise resource usage).

For just keeping track of what's happening around, I would love a view showing all the messages across all (or selected) Slacks/channels.

No, stop. Please.

I was a huge proponent of IRC but the lack of developments the past... decades has killed it for me. Discord is straight up better. Yes it's proprietary, but no, IRC is just not a good alternative at this point, it hasn't kept up.

And I love to death what the IRCCloud guys are doing but it's just not good enough to use as a proper communication tool especially in a company.

Admitting this is the first step to fixing it. If you want open source alternatives to win, you can't get stuck telling people the things they like aren't worth supporting. I like the fact that I can do text, voice and video in the same tool; that I have a searchable message history; that I don't have to manage the server myself; that I can make interesting bots with a webhook system and a websocket API; that I can interact with people programmatically over an OAuth2 API; that I can use markdown in messages, embed files and youtube videos, pin messages; that I can manage large communities using a thorough group and permission system (I'm managing a Discord server that has 20k+ people on it, this is stuff that can't be done over IRC quite simply).

And you know what, I like the custom emojis too.

Quassel isn't good enough (speaking as someone who loves quassel). IRCCloud isn't good enough (speaking as someone who loves IRCCloud and heartily recommend everyone here to support them by buying a subscription).

I used to say: Our best chance is that Hangouts is open sourced. Nowadays, I'm rooting for Matrix but I think our best chance is that Discord is open sourced. These protocols, they get developed with very little awareness of what people actually want -- they copy features left and right, try to either support everything and end up a bloated or unusable plugin mess (XMPP) or support nothing and end up unpopular. Most of them are toys. In the end, we need serious players, passionate about creating not just protocols but good interfaces to them. This is hard to find in open source.

> without diving too deep into the `curl https | sh` debate :)

So now that it's clear to me that it is possible to do an on-prem install, I decided to look at your curl->sh install script.

You guys are basically justifying the fears of our security folks. After grabbing sudo from the user, without asking permission, you pkill NTPD (!), add pool.ntp.org (never mind that we may run our own NTP servers, specifically to remove Internet-based dependencies to lower risk...) and start NTPD again, invoke an install-pip script from a server you don't control (https://bootstrap.pypa.io/get-pip.py) without attempting to see if maybe there's a local package of pip available, and then install the EPEL repository. Which is, you know, a perfectly fine repository, but there's a reason why the software included in it isn't included with the official Red Hat repositories and so adding the EPEL repository without asking permission to do so can wreak serious havoc on servers with auto-update scripts installed with the intent to only grab security fixes for installed software.

Why can't you guys just open-source some real packaging and respect the sysadmins who you want to be your customers?

> Upgrades are completely automatic in Userify

Most enterprises who are paying sysadmins to manage their server environments do so at least in part because they want their sysadmins to, you know, manage their server environments, like not upgrading services during peak usage (cough, Windows 10, cough).

I'm not saying I won't still try out Userify... I'm saying that, when one of my chief complaints about Atlassian was a lack of packaging support, you came in to champion a product that not only doesn't provide packaging support, but reminds me why packaging support is necessary. If Userify meets our needs, we'll end up needing to package it internally, which means it has to go on our priority list somewhere, and probably not near the top.

Sorry if this sounds harsh... just trying to keep it real.

If it wasn't so new I would say look at matrix. You can host that yourself and chats are encrypted.