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Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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It looks like ProtonMail released new account management features just a few weeks ago, including the capability for "organization admins to access the emails of other organization users" while still preserving end-to-end encryption. Source: https://protonmail.com/blog/encrypted-email-for-organization...

>while all organization accounts are end-to-end encrypted, it is still possible for organization admins to access the emails of other organization users. Thus, organizational oversight and management is still possible, even with end-to-end encryption. Furthermore, administrative read permissions are also granted or revoked automatically when admin users are created or demoted . I wonder how can they provide this with…

It's a key escrow system. The admins hold a copy of the user's key, and promoting a new admin involves giving access to this key.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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You are never anonymous when you connect to the Internet, even over Tor, even through 7 proxies. There is always a connection right back to you. We need to move beyond the obsession with anonymity and refocus the goal as being privacy. Then, recognize that privacy has several levels. That way, the expectation is more clear.

>We need to move beyond the obsession with anonymity and refocus the goal as being privacy. You mean "we" == a dozen of first world countries? There is strong demand for anonymity all over the world.

> There is strong demand for anonymity all over the world.

Is there? From whom? Facebook is still growing rapidly and now claims more than 2B users. It seems that not even privacy is in high demand, much less anonymity.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Try to relax a bit. It is good for your health. :) Both of those features are under development. If you would like to see them sooner rather than later, perhaps you know some great programmers that you could recommend to careers@protonmail.ch? Or, you could share ProtonMail's Careers page: https://protonmail.com/careers ProtonMail is hiring!

Protonmail fan and user here. Guys, honestly there are better ways to respond to customers and potential customers, without the patronizing tone. That can't possibly help.

Looks like parent is not a ProtonMail employee. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15032948)

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Try to relax a bit. It is good for your health. :) Both of those features are under development. If you would like to see them sooner rather than later, perhaps you know some great programmers that you could recommend to careers@protonmail.ch? Or, you could share ProtonMail's Careers page: https://protonmail.com/careers ProtonMail is hiring!

This is a great example of how not to interact with customers. Telling a customer who's been waiting on a feature for over a year to relax is just insulting. I picked Fastmail due to their excellent support reputation, you all could learn from them!

Looks like parent is not a ProtonMail employee. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15032948)

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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post #40

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Try to relax a bit. It is good for your health. :) Both of those features are under development. If you would like to see them sooner rather than later, perhaps you know some great programmers that you could recommend to careers@protonmail.ch? Or, you could share ProtonMail's Careers page: https://protonmail.com/careers ProtonMail is hiring!

Maybe they should also be hiring some sort of customer interaction expert as well.

Looks like parent is not a ProtonMail employee. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15032948)

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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>while all organization accounts are end-to-end encrypted, it is still possible for organization admins to access the emails of other organization users. Thus, organizational oversight and management is still possible, even with end-to-end encryption. Furthermore, administrative read permissions are also granted or revoked automatically when admin users are created or demoted . I wonder how can they provide this with…

It's a key escrow system. The admins hold a copy of the user's key, and promoting a new admin involves giving access to this key.

So where is this copy stored?

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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It's a key escrow system. The admins hold a copy of the user's key, and promoting a new admin involves giving access to this key.

So where is this copy stored?

Interesting! You could probably do it by using the key of an existing admin to decrypt the escrow key and then reencrypt it with the public key of the new admin, all client-side.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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I've tried it, but their solution is (IMHO) a very poor fit for a business e-mail account, as there is (or was when I used the service) no way to manage e-mail accounts for your employees and no way to archive / extract their e-mails in case of need (I understand that it's a privacy-focused e-mail service, but as an employer you have legal requirements to keep business documents for several years, and having to rely…

It looks like ProtonMail released new account management features just a few weeks ago, including the capability for "organization admins to access the emails of other organization users" while still preserving end-to-end encryption. Source: https://protonmail.com/blog/encrypted-email-for-organization...

Very intersting, I might give the solution another go in the future. Still, at this pace it will take them a long time until they are on par with a "normal" e-mail solution (it might be worth the trouble though).
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