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Re: How I learned to code in my 30s

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It looks like you've learned a lot, but a lot of people are going to criticize you based off your design skills. Frankly, it's ugly so you're automatically not going to be doing any product work. If you could clean up your demos to look more acceptable to the modern day reviewer, I think you would have better presented yourself.

This is constructive and honest opinion. Why downvote?

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Re: How I learned to code in my 30s

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I'm sorry, but I can't help but be incredibly cynical and jaded about this, and from reading the comments, nobody seems to have the same sentiment. If this was titled "How I learned to play the piano in my 30s", I don't think anybody would bat an eye: learning an instrument is not like joining some secret cult, and anybody can develop basic music literacy over a year or two. I also do not doubt this man's proficiency…

Yeah, everyone should learn to code, but there is an impact of age. Not many 40 year old guitar players in current rock bands (not many current rock bands on the radio :-0). That first job is a true barrier to entry for new coders who don't come from an academic background. It's got to be harder for that older person to get a first job.

Re: How I learned to code in my 30s

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I'm sorry, but I can't help but be incredibly cynical and jaded about this, and from reading the comments, nobody seems to have the same sentiment. If this was titled "How I learned to play the piano in my 30s", I don't think anybody would bat an eye: learning an instrument is not like joining some secret cult, and anybody can develop basic music literacy over a year or two. I also do not doubt this man's proficiency…

In mainland Europe, the salaries for programmers are much more in line with the rest of the workforce, and lower than that of engineers, on average. There's much less of a craze to learn programming here.

Part of the reason for the job craze in the us for programmers it that there are increasingly fewer opportunities for unskilled or low skilled labor in the us, as compared to europe. we rarely have internship programs at high schools, and companies are often desperate to find skilled machinists. But also the fact that we pay so much to good devs - that pay is only because of the tremendous worker shortages.

Re: How I learned to code in my 30s

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I've started learning to code when I was 26 and people told me I was too old and should stay with my shitty job. Fast forward ten years and I'm a senior software engineer which gives trainings on Spring Boot and Microservices and helps companies implementing Continuous Delivery and Microservice architectures. You may think I'm gifted but I'm actually not. I'm a very slow learner and bad at Math. I mostly program from…

26 is still young! I would understand if people would tell this somebody who is 56 (9 years from retirement), there might not be enough upside to changing career at such late point. But even then I'd say it might be worth it. But 26 is still a blank canvas you can learn anything easily. I think there might be a bias as many hackers started learning programming when they were 15 years or younger so they assume it has…

Yeah, that's bull shit, 26 is not too old. I'm 50+, just quit my last job where I was a principal software engineer, did 4 interviews, got 4 offers, took the one that made me director of a project (I have previous management experience too). If you keep coding and don't become just a manager, the world is open to you in software.

I have many years of experience and built up expertise, but I was in grad school until I was almost 30!

Re: How I learned to code in my 30s

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I learned to code at 18. I did not fall in love with programming: this owed at least in part to Fortran IV, punch cards, and a Burroughs mainframe that was often under maintenance. But I coded a craps game simulation, and passed.

I relearned to code at 31 or so. There was data over here that I needed in a different format over there, and didn't care to retype. I taught myself some minicomputer assembler from the instruction set reference. At that same job, I learned to write macros in the OS's command-line interpreter. I found that I enjoyed programming. And I went back to school.

That was a while ago, long enough that the second or third language that I learned on my own was Perl 4. I would never have called myself a ninja or a rockstar. Yet I have over the years written some very useful code.

Re: How I learned to code in my 30s

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The value of being a full stack dev is not to be an expert in everything, as you're right that isn't really feasible. The value comes from being able to do a good job at each piece, so that you can take an entire project from concept to completion. Most full stack folks naturally develop areas of strength and focus within that, either frontend or backend, but still benefit from the fullstack context and mindset. That…

as an org, what is the value of hiring full stack vs specialized individuals for each part of the stack? I guess one reason is if money is of concern. I can't think of any other reason for doing so.

Money is always of concern. But additionally a full stack can take lead on an entire project. There's also an increased organizational/communication overhead for every additional person you put on a project. It simplifies things a lot if there's a small number of people working on it, even if more devs are available.

Re: How I learned to code in my 30s

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Why are people making these posts? Learning to code is not hard, finding a job is not hard. Most people would be able to do shitty javascript apps if they only put in the time. Stop posting this shit, please. There are subsections of programming that require math and actual CS, but most programmers never ever touch that stuff. So please, stop posting these useless "how I did nothing special but I need praise" posts.

> Learning to code is not hard, finding a job is not hard. Most people would be able to do shitty javascript apps if they only put in the time. Stop posting this shit, please.

I can make JavaScript apps, but can't find anyone who wants to pay me to do so. Are you hiring?

Re: How I learned to code in my 30s

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I've been programming for 13 years. I started when I was 14 years old and studied software engineering at university. These days, when I take on well-paid contract work, sometimes I find myself working alongside people who only started learning to code at around 25 and never went to university. It's upsetting for me to think of all the fun I missed out on in my early life because I was learning programming and pushin…

So you did learn programming, because you wanted a great paycheck 13 years later? Lol, that's just stupid. I advised everyone from my circle to stay away from programming unless they fell in love with it. It's pointless to be a programmer if you don't have it in your heart. However, if you did enjoy, then there is nothing to be upset about, I mean you are doing what you love right? If its all about your paycheck you…

I take it you're single. Factor in the requirements of mortgage and supporting a family then consider whether you have the option of only doing what you love. I'd love to programme exclusively in Clojure but the job market dictates otherwise. Python's the most likely and at least it's not PHP or Java but that's as good as it'll get for steady money.

Re: How I learned to code in my 30s

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I've been making websites for over twenty years, and I can assure you that there have always been bad web developers. Some are self-taught and some learned at university. Just as there are good ones who have learned in those ways too. Codecamps are no different - there'll be bad developers and good developers who learned through attending them. There's nothing inherently or automatically worse about codecamp graduate…

Ok, I have been working in IT for 15 years and have seen some shit too..and I would never hire a person who attended codecamp, to me it does not seem to be reliable way to grow a developer. It's more like a trick that only takes the money from people who want to live the software developer life in the Bay Area.

Wow that's extremely shortsighted given that there are definitely world class engineers at Google, MS, etc who never had formal training.
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