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Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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WTF has Mozilla to do with any of this?

Did you even read the article? """ This opinion piece by Mozilla Executive Chairwoman Mitchell Baker and Mozilla community member Ankit Gadgil """

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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The short sightedness and naivety of this comment is disgusting. The poor and the rich have had "real" identification that has worked well - the electoral ID for example. Forcing aadhar down everyone's throat with no practical complaint redressal is the issue here. (Good luck getting UIDAI to take responsibility) Aadhar is not progress. Forcing biometric identification that relies on brittle infra is not progress. It…

> The short sightedness and naivety of this comment is disgusting.

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Thank you for lying so brazenly. Wish could downvote you. > Even worse, the government of India is selling access to this database to private companies to use and combine with other datasets as they wish. This would allow companies to have access to some of your most intimate details and create detailed profiles of you, in ways you can’t necessarily see or control. Liar, the information they get is your name/dob/gend…

I am not Kiran. Aadhar stores a lot more. Are you that stupid ? Usage/Frequency of access by whom and for whom etc (logs) are also data. I take it that you are not in the know of how things actually work, that the problem with Aadhar is using biometrics as a mechanism of validation.

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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The short sightedness and naivety of this comment is disgusting. The poor and the rich have had "real" identification that has worked well - the electoral ID for example. Forcing aadhar down everyone's throat with no practical complaint redressal is the issue here. (Good luck getting UIDAI to take responsibility) Aadhar is not progress. Forcing biometric identification that relies on brittle infra is not progress. It…

Thank you for lying so brazenly. Wish could downvote you. > Even worse, the government of India is selling access to this database to private companies to use and combine with other datasets as they wish. This would allow companies to have access to some of your most intimate details and create detailed profiles of you, in ways you can’t necessarily see or control. Liar, the information they get is your name/dob/gend…

> Thank you for lying so brazenly. Wish could downvote you.

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Edit: I don't care about karma on HN but if you're downvoting please explain yourself. > The Indian ID drive has ensured that benefits make it to the people who need > them without 80% of it being skimmed by corrupt bureaucrats. Citation ? (not about the corruption happening, that has been well established, but about aadhaar allegedly solving this problem). > Having a real identification gives very poor individuals t…

> Edit: I don't care about karma on HN but if you're downvoting please explain yourself.

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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The short sightedness and naivety of this comment is disgusting. The poor and the rich have had "real" identification that has worked well - the electoral ID for example. Forcing aadhar down everyone's throat with no practical complaint redressal is the issue here. (Good luck getting UIDAI to take responsibility) Aadhar is not progress. Forcing biometric identification that relies on brittle infra is not progress. It…

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Is the Indian government now also doing astroturfing? Does anyone know about any serious research or reporting on it? Chinese and Russian operations are well-known and reported, but I haven't heard of Indian ones. Seeing the same, generally weak talking points, angrily defending the Indian government, advocating nationalistic points of view, and repeated over and over - it all reminds me of threads critical of China…

> Is the Indian government now also doing astroturfing?

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

#188
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> It all sounds familiar when you know privacy concerns of Chinese humanitarians - read great firewall of internet. That has nothing to do wit Aadhaar or India. All European nations require an ID to get a mobile connection. That risk would exist in any country Aadhaar or no Aadhaar. What's your point? > How does being biggest in numbers help in democracy ? Democracy is pretty old my friend. 70 years is again a very s…

I have worked in two Western European countries and none required me to provide any Id lest alone unique id. As I see you are doing BS.

> As I see you are doing BS.

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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I'm not Indian, I'm a white middle class American.

I will give you a free advice: Most Aadhar criticism comes from and is supported by People who have lost money due to due to direct benefit scheme. Those people accumulated lots of money over years by producing fake bills, extra names in the ration cards. Aadhar card started to roll out in 2011 itself, How many of these privacy freaks had raise the voice and if they did, were they supported ? No. Only after Aadhar st…

1.I don't get any subsidies 2. I don't earn as I am a student so no tax evasion possible 3. My father is in the army and mother is a school teacher so no scope of benefiting from corruption

I still don't support Aadhar. Neither am I convinced. Neither am I appreciative of the arrogance of UIDAI and iSpirt team. UIDAI's claims of subsidy savings have been blown away by the CAG. The aadhar critics argue in data while aadhar supporters use hypebole and try to appeal to emotions.

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