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Re: Imzy is shutting down

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post #160

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Which... I think is a great thing. You think it's a great thing that there is less dialogue between people with differing opinions and more places that function as echo-chambers?

Yes I think it is a good think there is less dialogue between hate groups. I want them to all feel they are the only ones in the world with those beliefs so they died off with them.

Why would echo chambers, where people are surrounded by those who think like them, convince anyone that they are alone in their beliefs?

Re: Imzy is shutting down

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post #157

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They will probably have a hard time raising from institutional investors, but my guess is their userbase is primarily single men who spend large amounts of time on the computer, a decent subset of whom have spending cash. The "goats" are also people who feel like they've been politically badgered into a corner, so I suspect they will spend to maintain their last refuge. Your will to fight goes up as the space you are…

Oh man, I know this is not always the most popular viewpoint, but I would be happy to live in a world in which "this woman should be raped for her opinions" had no place to be expressed, ever.

I don't. I would like to live in a world where no one ever thinks it.

I think the only way you get there is by keeping dialog open with the people who do think it. If you refuse to listen to them, you strengthen their belief that they're seeing something other people are unwilling to look at.

And I think trying to "no platform" those people only strengthens their rhetorical position, making it easier for them to extract sympathy from moderates, which normalizes rape culture and quite possibly leads to more rapes. Which is really tragic.

But all of this is just a smaller part of a general failure of feminist policy to do anything with perpetrators besides punish them. Restorative justice is starting to catch on in feminist circles, at least in terms of lip service. But it's a tough sell, because it's completely at odds with the basic feminist methodology of "Step 1: Separate the situation into Oppressor and Oppressed. Step 2: Direct all available resources towards the Oppressed. Step 3: Fuck the oppressor up, if you can. Though you probably won't be able to. #lesigh #patriarchyamirite"

Of course, that is totally understandable. When you live in a society that systematically fails to punish perpetrators, and willfully ignores your calls to punish them, where else does that lead besides a laser-focus on self care and becoming psychotically obsessed with trying to punishing perpetrators?

And Men's Rights has a totally impoverished accounting of the situation, being able to say little more than "Not all men!" and "Women are perpetrators too!" which doesn't advance the dialog at all either. Those are orthogonal situations, and don't address the underlying issue which is that the victim/perpetrator dialectic obscures the root of violence, so it can never be pulled out.

We should all listen more carefully to the black civil rights community, who is leaps and bounds beyond the rest of us in drawing a nuanced picture of violence and ways to see through it to community healing.

Re: Imzy is shutting down

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post #6

Turns out the vast majority of people don't want to spend their lives in a permanent "safe space"[0]. That was a fast flameout [0] https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/25/a-chat-with-imzy-co-founde...

I don't see what's massively objectionable about wanting to build a community based on tolerance, kindness and mutual respect.

It is a great idea for sure but "tolerance, kindness and mutual respect" live on a spectrum... and people are all at different points on it.

What I find funny you might find offensive (thats how humor works some times) by trying to have rules and enforce them your always pissing someone off... the less you have the better and let people be their own filter.

Re: Imzy is shutting down

#186
Whenever I see a startup shutting down, sadly, my first thought is: Who? Granted I don't work in technology, but I'm a big user, fan, consumer, etc. So I have to wonder: Am I just missing these companies, is their market too narrow, or do they have trouble reaching a larger audience?

Re: Imzy is shutting down

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> I wish the founders well, but I feel like people nowadays give up too early. It's really difficult to offer perspective like that on something you don't really understand and haven't seen from the inside. It's pretty clear if you don't have product-market fit as a founder. And if you don't have a really good idea of what you could do to get to product-market fit, it's entirely possible it's wise of the founders to…

Sometimes product fit takes longer than $VC_ATTENTION_SPAN

Indeed, there are many other ways of building a business on-line than startups.

Makes me think, maybe it's time to create a "bootstrapped" badge, or something like that; something that sites that didn't take VC money could proudly display? At least for me personally, whether something is an investor startup or not is an important data point for deciding whether to invest my time in it.

Re: Imzy is shutting down

#188
post #181

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Yes I think it is a good think there is less dialogue between hate groups. I want them to all feel they are the only ones in the world with those beliefs so they died off with them.

Why would echo chambers, where people are surrounded by those who think like them, convince anyone that they are alone in their beliefs?

Honestly my response is the result of reading the thread wrong shortly after waking up.

Re: Imzy is shutting down

#189
post #11

I spent 5 minutes on the site, and I still have no clue what it is... I would like to know, since it's interesting to understand what people have tried and gave up on.

It was like reddit with a shinier but harder to use UI, and less racists.

Fewer racists. Or did you actually mean people who on average were less racist?

Re: Imzy is shutting down

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> I wish the founders well, but I feel like people nowadays give up too early. It's really difficult to offer perspective like that on something you don't really understand and haven't seen from the inside. It's pretty clear if you don't have product-market fit as a founder. And if you don't have a really good idea of what you could do to get to product-market fit, it's entirely possible it's wise of the founders to…

Sometimes product fit takes longer than $VC_ATTENTION_SPAN

Funding here came (in part) from O'Reilly, who strike me as in it for the longer haul.
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