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Re: Nintendo Switch Teardown

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Post by overcast »

wernercd wrote: post #168
overcast wrote: post #167

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Yes, I agree, they should have at LEAST two per console. What I really wish Nintendo would do is just become a triple A developer for the other consoles. I cry at the thought of Metroid on PS4.

I just don't see that happening... look at how much innovation has happened - not limited too, but including the Wii, Wii U and arguably is going to happen after the switch - because of Nintendo? You think they will want to be limited by someone else and give up that freedom? Didn't work out real well for Sega...

Innovation that no one is asking for honestly. If Nintendo didn't have their classic titles, no one would be buying into underpowered consoles at this point. Sega never made anything with a ravenous fanbase. Nintendo exists solely on their core fans buying into whatever they make regardless.

Re: Nintendo Switch Teardown

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Post by endemic »

_ph_ wrote: post #62
gdulli wrote: post #26

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I don't know how they justify selling it at the same price as the current gen consoles. You also have to pay extra for a real controller.

Because its a console which also is a mobile device. It not only comes with one controller, but, depending on the game, the JoyCons allow two players to share them. Without buying additional hardware. They also happen to be complete Wiimotes with motion tracking - something you had to buy extra before. And of course, it is the best and most powerful gaming hardware made by Nintendo. A PS4 is cheaper and has more GPU…

> And it doesn't play the Nintendo games.

The hardware actually looks like the ideal form factor for me right now (I have young kids, so it's hard to sneak to the den for those marathon gaming sessions), but honestly the thing I really care about is the software.

Re: Nintendo Switch Teardown

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Post by wernercd »

fred256 wrote: post #180
wernercd wrote: post #161

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How do you determine demand? Something like this could be a passing fad... build millions and bam no one wants it anymore...

I'm assuming 6 months after launch they'd have a decent idea of what the demand is.

Demand doesn't stay the same... "hot items" over the Christmas season don't necessarily stay the hot item in March. Hot items LAST Christmas won't necessarily be hot NEXT Christmas.

Look at any number of "ZOMG MY KID MUST HAVE THIS!!!" items - from Tickle Me Elmo to Pogs to whatever the flavor'of'the'year is... that everyone had to get last year and now no one wants.

And... if they sell 1 million in December... then make another million for January... whats to say the "Market" is 3 million? or 30M? or 300k? Are the millions that wanted it in December still in the market or has the fad faded?

Companies have lost busted from making too many unsold items...

Ramping up demand doesn't happen over night... and sitting on unsold inventory isn't something companies want to do.

Re: Nintendo Switch Teardown

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Post by knodi123 »

satysin wrote: post #91
knodi123 wrote: post #29

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> v2 should be nice Has there ever been a v2 of a nintendo console?

Depends how you define v2. If you define it as a revision to the original version then - The DSi was an upgrade to the DS but not a whole new console generation. The Wii Mini was a downgrade (seriously) to the Wii to make it cheaper/smaller. The New 3DS was an upgrade to the 3DS similar to the DS->DSi upgrade. Plus all of the Gameboy and Gameboy Advance models which you could argue were often more revisions with some…

okay, I never went to the nintendo portables, so I was shockingly oblivious about these. I define v2 as both "set of games you can play on it is identical to the first one", and "not a retro notalgia remake". But even by that standard, wikipedia tells me you gave a lot of good examples. I can only hope the switch makes the list, because I'm not interested in spending significant game time with a handheld tablet, but I also need enough distance to flirt with their limitations.

Re: Nintendo Switch Teardown

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Post by wernercd »

overcast wrote: post #181
wernercd wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't see that happening... look at how much innovation has happened - not limited too, but including the Wii, Wii U and arguably is going to happen after the switch - because of Nintendo? You think they will want to be limited by someone else and give up that freedom? Didn't work out real well for Sega...

Innovation that no one is asking for honestly. If Nintendo didn't have their classic titles, no one would be buying into underpowered consoles at this point. Sega never made anything with a ravenous fanbase. Nintendo exists solely on their core fans buying into whatever they make regardless.

No one is asking for? Two problems with that...

One... no one knows what they don't have until you show them or you create it. The Wii Remote is a key point. Wildly popular yet would have been dismissed as "no one asked for it".

Two... The Switch is what everyone is asking for: Portability. Phones, tablets, etc. People want to do stuff on the go.

You can blame a "rabid fanbase"... but it would't be such a large fanbase or such a rabid fanbase if they weren't being given what they wanted - whether or not its asked for.

Re: Nintendo Switch Teardown

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Post by Too »

wernercd wrote: post #166
overcast wrote: post #163

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Well, they excel at the holy triad, Zelda, Mario, and Metroid.

Their main problem isn't the fact that the use the same ole franchises... its that they don't release often enough in those. There shouldn't be one game per franchise per platform... But... they have more than "The Triad". To plagarize someone else: > Nintendo has Zelda (action/adventure), Xeno series (JRPG), Fire Emblem (SRPG), Mario (Platformer, Kart Racer, RPG, Sports), Pikmin (RTS), StarFox (Dogfighter, on rails…

Regular schedule? Nononono. The reason those games are such classics is that they are given the time to polish to perfection. Not rushed out one every year with nothing new except skins just to meet the Christmas demand like Need for Speed, FIFA and NHL.

Re: Nintendo Switch Teardown

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Post by on_and_off »

Rapzid wrote: post #67
on_and_off wrote: post #46

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the joycons are real controllers too :). So far I don't want to switch to a classical controller. Especially since I use the gyroscope of the right joycon in order to aim more precisely.

The pro controller has gyro as well.

is it practical though ?

With the joycons, I kinda wish I could draw a bow with both joycon in order to aim.

Not sure if that would work, but I would like an easier way to aim precisely. Right now I am starting to miss my mouse.

Re: Nintendo Switch Teardown

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Post by overcast »

wernercd wrote: post #185
overcast wrote: post #181

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Innovation that no one is asking for honestly. If Nintendo didn't have their classic titles, no one would be buying into underpowered consoles at this point. Sega never made anything with a ravenous fanbase. Nintendo exists solely on their core fans buying into whatever they make regardless.

No one is asking for? Two problems with that... One... no one knows what they don't have until you show them or you create it. The Wii Remote is a key point. Wildly popular yet would have been dismissed as "no one asked for it". Two... The Switch is what everyone is asking for: Portability. Phones, tablets, etc. People want to do stuff on the go. You can blame a "rabid fanbase"... but it would't be such a large fanba…

How wildly popular is it now? After the hysteria died down, people realized they don't want to be flailing their arms around while playing games. They just want a normal controller, which is why it's worked exceptionally well, and iterated upon for the last 35+ years. Nintendo keeps creating these new human interfaces, that get abandoned by the time the next console rolls around. I'm all for innovation, but when it comes to input devices, standards like the gamepad/mouse/keyboard are here to stay. Because they work exceptionally well.

Re: Nintendo Switch Teardown

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Post by feld »

philjohn wrote: post #76
nikcub wrote: post #59

the Switch booting into its FreeBSD kernel: https://twitter.com/Y_Mokko/status/837610472362786817

Doesn't look like a boot screen, looks like a copyright notice screen for all software used in the product - my Panasonic TV has one of those too (it uses a FreeBSD Kernel)

mind posting more info about this somewhere?

Re: Nintendo Switch Teardown

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Post by _jdams »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #178
slantyyz wrote: post #151

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You can get refurbs and second hand Wii U's for pretty cheap.

Hmm the best I've seen is $200 which seems a bit much for a now previous console model with limited title support and low end hardware. I'll wait until I see it for $99 I think.

I bought a $199 Wii U refurb direct from Nintendo about a year and a half ago. Surely you can find a cheaper Wii U on craigslist or something..
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