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Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by FabHK »

paulddraper wrote: post #89
rush340 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not. It really annoys me when people cite google search suggestions as meaningful. In my google search suggestions, it falls behind "how to leave a group chat" and "how to leave a meetup group". Therefore it must be true that more people are trying to figure out how to get out of group chats or break it off with their meetup group than leaving facebook. This also must be a sign of the demise of group chat.

Mine: > how to leave a group text on iphone > how to leave a google review > how to leave a review on etsy > how to leave a group chat

Love me my ad/cookie/tracking blocking. I get:

> how to leave facebook

> how to leave a club in lol (??)

> how to leave ashran (??)

> how to leave a discord server (??)

Seems Google has me pegged as a gamer... (I'm not, had to DDG all the suggestions marked with a question mark)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by vowelless »

csomar wrote: post #180

I have stopped using Facebook as a source of information, unfollowed all friends and pages and stopped posting about me eating outside (I did post about my travels which I'm planning not to redo). After a while of doing that, I don't feel any urge to visit facebook and check again. I even get no more urge to see my friends profiles and what is going on with them. However, I have found it is not practical to remove Fa…

I have the exact same feelings.

FYI you can deactivate Facebook without deactivating messenger. That is what I did. My messenger still works (although oddly, sharing links with friends has become a little worse ) and my Facebook profile is deactivated.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by marchenko »

return0 wrote: post #92
sveme wrote: post #5

Have we reached peak Facebook yet? I started using Facebook quite early in my country and used it mostly as a social network, communicating and exchanging stuff with friends from all over the world. A couple years later I deleted my account, being disgusted by the potential abusive potential of all the information Facebook had. I came back years later as it became THE tool for ad hoc social initiatives and a way to f…

I am glad facebook exists, to keep all that garbage siloed and away from me. As a non-user, i enjoy a slightly cleaner web.

Unfortunately, the silo leaks sentient radioactive waste that follows you home and rifles through your mail and personal effects for saleable data. And it may be making your neighbors in the silo slightly ill.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by gaius »

paulpauper wrote: post #74
nosuchthing wrote: post #71

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Users migrated to Facebook from other popular social networks.. it doesn't take much to gain critical mass

Some migrated from Myspace and other networks, but Facebook was able to capture the invaluable older demographic who had never used social networking before and are less inclined to switch. Facebook was able revolutionize communication much in the same way the car did for transportation.

Facebook was able to capture the invaluable older demographic

Yes and no. It captured people while they were 20-somethings and has so far managed to hold onto many of them into their 30s and even 40s via its networking effect. But the last thing the next generation want to use is something that the previous generation used. So it's a blessing and a curse.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by gaius »

Klockan wrote: post #154
Bedon292 wrote: post #19

>> If you type "how to leave" into the Google search window, "how to leave Facebook" will be the first suggestion. Am I being too critical for thinking someone writing an article like this should know that Google searches / suggestions are personalized? Just because its suggested for them does not mean its universal.

Just try it in private browsing mode, it removes personalization, "how to leave facebook" is then top for me.

Does it?

If IP address X does a query, then a moment later the same IP does the same query but just doesn't send any cookies, I am pretty sure Google knows it's the same person.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by nibs »

sveme wrote: post #5

Have we reached peak Facebook yet? I started using Facebook quite early in my country and used it mostly as a social network, communicating and exchanging stuff with friends from all over the world. A couple years later I deleted my account, being disgusted by the potential abusive potential of all the information Facebook had. I came back years later as it became THE tool for ad hoc social initiatives and a way to f…

All my friends, immediate and extended family communicate over Signal. <50% use Facebook, login once a week and are horrified by the posts, log back out. We are probably not typical users of technology, but Signal is our core communication tool now.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by gaius »

nostrademons wrote: post #39
zzalpha wrote: post #13

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It's the tech delusion. I don't know a start-up that doesn't have some grandiose vision of themselves as the future saviors of humanity. Uber, Tesla, Facebook, Airbnb, you name it... it's all the same "save the world" rhetoric. The scary thing is, I think a lot of people on the industry actually believe their own BS...

It's much easier to do hard or risky things (and convince others to do hard things) if you believe that doing so will save the world. Whether it's true or not, it's a useful illusion. People who believe that it's all meaningless tend to sit on message boards and shit on others instead.

It's much easier to do hard or risky things (and convince others to do hard things) if you believe that doing so will save the world

I think you mean "easier to get convince others to work 80-hour weeks for illusory stock options".

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by gaius »

rhizome wrote: post #90
lend000 wrote: post #46

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One of those is not the like others (Facebook). Facebook is the only one that wasn't a huge next step in the progression of an established industry. It was an incremental improvement in a fledgling social network industry, and it's questionable how much value it actually adds to (or detracts from) society. Compare this to Google which is indeed a force of good (not just their main product, but the numerous free techn…

It was an incremental improvement in a fledgling social network industry And even then, it was only because Friendster was crippled by scaling problems and MySpace was snowed under with self-promotion that Facebook even had a path out of the university populations to which they initially restricted themselves.

I think one thing that FB got right was disallowing any customisation of your own profile. That made MySpace completely unusable.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by thehardsphere »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #118
brilliantcode wrote: post #104

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This shows the underlying utility of Facebook compared to other tech giants distilled in to a really generic scenario. - You go to Google to research what to buy. - You go to Amazon to give Amazon your hard earned money. - You go to Facebook to brag what you bought. Yet the market cap of Facebook rivals those two with far less revenue and highest multiplier. This cannot last.

In theory the reason for this is that Facebook is "stickier" than Google or Amazon. If Google search isn't working for you, you can switch to something else in a heartbeat. If Facebook isn't working for you, you have to get all your friends to switch to something else before you can. The problem is this is also going to be Facebook's downfall at some indeterminate future date. Because if some other social network eve…

There's precedent for this: MySpace.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by losteverything »

dmitrygr wrote: post #6

Why is it that every little single-purpose-at-best company nowadays acts like they are out to save the world in the most noble way possible? Mark, please! You're a spam-your-friends-with-fake-news-and-baby-photos service at best. The world will go on long after Facebook ceases to exist. Please stop pretending that you're Mother Teresa here.

"The joy of reading" is coming under great fire.

In fact I am beginning to realize that I no longer enjoy reading from a phone. Never before in my reading experience did I get so worked up until now

Your comment not just includes fake news or junk reading but simply anything written in an opinion fashion.

This manifesto is an example of why reading has gone sour.

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