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Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by maxerickson » Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 3:06 AM UTC

justin66 wrote: post #180

maxerickson wrote: post #164

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It used to be the case. It isn't any longer. It's one of the reasons that packaging got more annoying in recent years. In addition to consumer preferences, the FDA called for a phase out in 2015: http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm372915.ht...

If you're saying the phase-out is really happening and widespread, that's great. Nothing could make me happier. Partially hydrogenated oils are basically poison. I've noticed them falling off the ingredients list of some of the junk in the store.

Yes, it's real.

For example:

https://www.generalmills.com/Health/improving-health/reducin...

The consumer preference things is real too. Here's Kraft working to avoid "trans fats" on their labels in 2005:

http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Suppliers2/Kraft-slashes-tr...

Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by hollander » Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 1:09 PM UTC

KSS42 wrote: post #170

croon wrote: post #134

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As someone who's tried every diet and training regiment under the sun, and never (before or after) being outside of "normal" BMI and of varying levels of athletic (maxing out at 10 push-ups through 30 dead-hang pullups): On your first point, yes. Most diets work, as long as they fit with your persona and schedule. Anything you feel comfortable with and can stick to. Just by "doing" a diet, you end up being a lot more…

I just got a Fitbit. The iPhone app that comes with makes it really easy to track what you eat and the corresponding calories. I have lost weight mostly due to that. I just do not want to record a snack of Doritos (100s of calories) versus a snack of a carrot (30kCal)

This is great, but beware of the relaps. Can you make this a habit? If you have to fight it, you'll lose in the end. Now the Fitbit is a new gadget, really nice app, but what happens in three weeks? Will you still fill in all your calories, and be ashamed of that doritos?

Do something that creates a habit, something that you don't have to put effort in. That will continue to work.

Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by pombrand » Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 8:48 PM UTC

What you really need is a study comparing saturated fats, ideally from butter AND from coconut oil, with monounsaturated fat which is the plant fat recommended as healthiest (olive oil, avocados, almonds), not polyunsaturates that no-one claimed was particularly healthy to begin with. It also needs to looks at all cardiac events, not just death (having cardiac events can reduce life quality).

If you read the wiki about saturated fats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat_and_cardiovascul... it's clear that there's no benefit from saturated fats, but potential downfalls.

A more useful headline: "Replacing butter with vegetable oils high in monounsaturated fatty acid reduces risk of cardiac events and neurological disorders" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3705810

So much butter confirmation bias here.