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>Maybe if urban residents stopped subsidizing unsustainable rural living What do you mean?

Many things necessary (or common) for living in suburban and rural places is subsidized through taxes, flat-rate costs of goods/services, and several other means. I'll give a few examples: * Internet, electricity, or cable costs significantly more to provide to people living in single family homes with distant neighbors than it does to provide to residents of a highrise apartment building. The consumers, however, pay…

> * Gas. The Federal government subsidizes gasoline. Suburban/Rural residents drive more and consume more gas than urban residents who are more likely to use public transit.

There is in fact a federal fuel tax, in addition to state fuel taxes. There is no direct gasoline subsidy.

Some people argue that the tax deductions and structures used by drilling companies are a kind of subsidy, but that's debatable and most of them make sense.

> * Roads. The road surface per resident in rural locations is significantly higher than road surface per resident in urban areas. State and federal taxes contribute (not all, but some) of the funding for road construction.

Rural roads are also less trafficked, meaning they last much longer and don't require multiple lanes.

> * Water. Water sanitization, plumbing, etc. are all much more expensive due to, for example, the amount of pipe and construction labor required per resident.

In most rural areas, there is no water service. You get a well put in. The cost of water infrastructure is zero.

The larger argument that infrastructure is cheaper when population density is higher is, of course, trivially true. The general maligning of rural living, much of which is baseless, just bothers me. The idea that rural living is unsustainable is just silly - we got along quite well before massive megacities ever existed; if anything is unsustainable, it's the total population. Fortunately, in general, and throughout history, cities are population sinks - human reproduction falls below replacement rate in cities.

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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I'm wondering why the entire southeast of the US was left out of the analysis? I'd have imagined ATL or Miami would have enough data to add to the report and cost of living is fairly low even in comparison to many of these other cities.

I'd like to know too. I make 65k with a $600 rent. Beginning to wonder if I'm missing out because happiness could be better

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

#185
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True - but then that's the general issue with London vs the rest of the country. Compared to other careers, dev salaries in London make the city pretty liveable. I'm certainly not struggling to service a mortgage in Zone 2, and many devs I know are similarly comfortable.

You, or you and a partner? Do you work in finance? I'm having trouble with my idea of average dev salaries and zone 2 prices equalling comfortable (i.e. nice amount of savings and disposable income after mortgage payment). If non-finance, I must be really out of touch with London salaries. I had an email today offering "up to £50k" for a devops position at a web agency...risible.

Risible indeed. Lemme give you more perspective of London salaries. Good you are in DevOps because I got that keyword on my resume too.

These are all the LinkedIn messages with a salary range I got since the beginning of February. Mostly from recruiters. (target: typical 20-30 years old, nothing special).

* DevOps Engineer - Cloud Managed Service - Aldgate east (London) - £50k - £65k

* DevOps Engineer - a global digital market agency - Canary Wharf - £60k - £70k

* DevOps Engineer - Kings Cross - £65k - £75k

* SysAdmin (DevOps) - £50k

* Senior Site Reliability Engineer - market leading eCommerce client based in London - £70,000 + 20% bonus and competitive benefits.

* Consultant on + DevOps - "The day rate is around the £800 mark."

* world’s largest peer to peer lending services - up to £75K + benefits.

* London’s leading Cloud and Automation Consultancies (within financial services). - up to £60K + benefits..

Of course, it's only the 9th right now. The month just begins :D

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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"You should try living in a cabin in the woods." This isn't even close to a reasonable retort.

It is if you have a preference for urban environments and your choice is between SF/NYC/London/etc and Salt Lake City, where it feels like every other street is as wide as the average block in another city. To each their own of course.

Well, in SLC you are about an hour drive away from arguably the best skiing on the planet.

To each their own of course.:-)

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

#187

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"You should try living in a cabin in the woods." This isn't even close to a reasonable retort.

It is if you have a preference for urban environments and your choice is between SF/NYC/London/etc and Salt Lake City, where it feels like every other street is as wide as the average block in another city. To each their own of course.

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Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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I'd love to see your evidence for this. Namely, you'd need to prove that for a given educational level, geographical location and familial history, they're more likely to choose something other than tech than white males.

Given the fact that every college in the country enacts affirmative action, it's apparent that non-whites and women would have no problem getting into the IT field. And given the fact that over 60 percent of people graduating college today are women, that tells me that it's just not a field they're interested in. I don't see why that's a problem.

You don't understand why lack of diversity in an industry is a problem? A complaint that I often hear is that SV is full of start ups focused on "Uber for catnip" and other unimaginative useless things. Wouldn't diversity address this alleged homogeny of services(think Bevel)?

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

#189

As someone who's gone through hired's process last year with a close friend, I feel this does a disservice. Primarily because COL is never 1:1 in spite of the very best analysis available and I feel like this becomes a credible source those in hiring positions. The train of thought goes something like this, seemingly from anecdotal evidence from my close friend: "Oh you're making $70K in Atlanta as a PHP developer? T…

> I view salary negotiations as nowhere close to a zero sum game I think you mean "level playing field" or something. "zero sum" implies that the employer wins when the employee loses. But I agree with you on the above. I think the dirty little secret is that most employers have very little clue about how much a particular skill set (let alone a particular dev) is worth. So they tend to use previous salary as an anch…

> I think you mean "level playing field" or something. "zero sum" implies that the employer wins when the employee loses.

I struggled with the right way to word it in a concise manner so "level playing field" seems more correct.

In being privy to hiring decisions for other developers, I believe your assessment is correct. I feel like everything becomes a stab in the dark to some degree. That my assessment of my worth and their assessment of what they're looking for rarely match up as developers by and large seem to never quite fit inside the job description box. I see that as a good thing but the pattern of seemingly properly understanding your worth as you're walking out the door becomes tiresome the third or seventh time it happens.

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

#190

This analysis may be reasonable as far as it goes, but it can still make financial sense for someone to live and work in the Bay Area. I recently took a new job near San Francisco paying ~$160k. Living cheaply, our actual consumption for my family of 3 is about ~50k a year. (Yes, this is possible -- and life can still be enjoyable if you like spending time in nature/other inexpensive activities.) After taxes, that le…

That's a tough argument to make that SF beats SLC in net savings. You should try living with your family in a house with a backyard, it's quite enjoyable and could be pretty cheap over time if you see any appreciation. Secondly there are a lot more taxes on a lot more things in SF, are you factoring that in? Also I'd bet you are worth more than 105k in SLC if you looked around longer. I love SF and it's great to live…

While we'll probably end up in a house with a yard eventually, I don't feel a pressing need for that lifestyle at the moment.

I am factoring in taxes and cost of living. The difference doesn't make up for the $55k wage gap. It's possible that I could have done better than $105k if I had looked harder, but based on how much my friends in that area make I doubt it. My salary in the Bay Area also has a lot more headroom to continue growing.

The calculus worked out better for SF in my case because I'm saving most of my income either way. If I wanted a higher-consumption lifestyle (big house, two cars, lots of eating out etc.) then a lower-income lower-COL area might have been a better deal overall. But I'm at a stage where I don't mind "sacrificing" a bit for a better future. And honestly, it doesn't feel like a sacrifice anyway -- my wife and I are still living a lot better than we were until recently as university students, and enjoying every day. There's no reason why consumption has to scale with income!

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